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Observasions from a newcomer: Re. abusiveness


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I am new to this site, though I visited it a few years ago when I owned a few Leicas. I now am using a Leica again, and tuned in to this forum to see what's happening. I was astonished by the change in tone and the fighting going on.

 

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Question:

 

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There are obviously a few individual who are taking great dlight in being abusive and mean spirited toward other members, on a regular basis.

 

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Isn't it possible for Tony simply to ban postings from those individuals who are intent on destroying the intended purpose of the Leica Photography forum...like, forever?

 

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This can be done on photo.net. I think it should be done here as well.

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Apparently this software doesn't support logging in and banning, but

Tony's been considering moving to photo.net for just the reason

you're suggesting.

 

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Don't give up on us yet--I don't think anyone likes things as they

are, and they haven't been that way too long. Before the jerks signed

in it was a great forum, and I'm sure it can be taken back in that

direction, if people will learn to not respond to the bad posts (but

it does seem like some are just as dumb as rocks on that point,

unfortuantely).

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Can't do it Todd, as you may have noticed, there is no sign

in/password thing here like photo.net with this or any of the Lusenet

sites. Someone can actually type in anything they want and use any

name and e-mail address. It isn't a good system and it encourages the

type of problems we encounter here from time to time. There needs to

be some way to know who is posting what at sites like this, and

hopefully soon this site will join Photo.net as promised and thiese

type of problems can be minimized.

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Not currently possible on this site, Todd, because this site has no

way of authenticating the poster's name or email address. The IP

Address changes each time a person signs on through dial-up, so that

can't be used either.

 

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The only method of blocking a poster is by going through a

registration process. That involves authenticating the email address

the first time a person signs up. This is done by sending a message

to the so-called email address, and requiring the person to respond

to the message, thereby authenticating the address. From then on a

person must sign in using that address or he/she will be blocked.

When a poster gets out of line that email address can be black-

listed. Yes, the offender can change email addresses, re-register,

and start over, but sooner or later the new email address will also

be black-listed, and so on. Too much hassle for most offenders.

 

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Supposedly this site will be moving to photo.net in the near future,

and that registration process will be used. But preparations are not

yet ready for that move.

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Understood...I think that the advice to ignore the abusers and not

play there game is the best way. I used to argue with such people on

photo.net and it only made it worse. It gave them attention. I

eventually learned to ignore the attacks (very hard to do), and I

don't have too many problems now.

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Andrew:

 

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<b> Can't do it Todd, as you may have noticed, there is no sign

in/password thing here like photo.net with this or any of the

Lusenet sites.</b>

 

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Of course there is, just look at the bottom of the index page. Of

course, that is where sites go to die [you know the ol'turtle story].

It is possible to ban people here; if they have a fixed IP. Many

don't. The same problem exists on most closed sites. Besides,

you can use a proxy if you want. Every high school kid knows how

to do that.

 

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Nope, just learn to live with it or you will be on a site where you

are talking to yourself. Just my experience.

 

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Art

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Hi Todd and welcome!used to see your answers etc on photo.net.

this is on the whole a great site.ignore the folks who are miserable.

i've received good useful imformation here.Tony runs a great site.

Bet your glad to be back with Leica...esp the M's.less weight.

For me its my lightest "rig".Probably as i cannot afford the extra

lenses...

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Todd, please don't be too worried, especially about my last post.

I am usually the one on the forum that goes up against people

who are abusive, and my recent outburst was the result of the

same thing, excpet I became as bad as those I was disagreeing

with.

 

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Most people on this forum are fantastic and very polite. I think

that you'll find many off topic posts to come because we're all

running out of Leica stuff to post- plus stuff keeps getting

repeated. But that's how life works.

 

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Don't be discouraged by anyone and certainly don't let them get

under your skin. Hopefully the plans to move to "photo.net" will

go through. The biggest problem we have is that people are

popstin under false and others' names. I have a feeling that the

people or person that keeps hasseling me on this forum knows

me personally and is quite jealous, because I can't seem to

work out why people always target me.

 

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but hey, let's keep it positive and if you have any concerns contact

the "good members" directly and don't make too many posts like

this. Or else every second post will be like this.

 

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Good luck

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Hi, Todd, and welcome to our forum. I was gone all weekend since

Friday morning, and the forum got a bit out of hand. We drove to

Homer, AK, and I had a blast of a birthday party there. Cool town,

very photogenic.

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This is different software (less versatile) than what photo.net runs

on, but we'll be a part of photo.net soon (I am told) with much

tighter controls in place to keep our forum cleaner and friendlier.

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