Discussion in 'Nikon' started by arnabdas, Jan 23, 2005.
No, no, Arnab! We want to see Florida bugs!
Red, I want to shoot Florida bugs too -- somehow they are hiding somewhere I don't know! :-(
From my backyard in Florida... Taken with a D70 and Nikon 75-300mm
Florida bugs are hiding? You must be kidding. Just go to the Everglades and take off your shirt. I heard a story that some brave young guy once did an experiment just like that. He took off his shirt at the beach in the Everglades. In no time he was covered by mosquitoes. Someone took a picture of him and then he got rid of the mosquitoes and put his shirt back on. They printed the image and counted some 100+ mosquitoes.
No offence to your 200mm lens Arnab. However sharp it may be, it gives one of the worst bokeh I have seen (not surprisingly, in line with the other micronikkors). As always, Albert Smith shows yet another example (I like the 50mm shot better) of beautiful bokeh.
You have pointed Arnab in the right direction, Shun!
I don't think I would consider that the right direction. Seriously, do not try that experiment yourself. You could end up in the emergency room. I have been to Florida a number of times, mainly for bird photography. And insect repellant is a must over there. I always wear a long-sleeve shirt there but I have been bitten at my elbow and ankel through my clothing. The 200mm macro is great for macro work but not so great for just about anything else. I think I have mentioned that I tested it against my 80-200mm/f2.8 AF-S. Near infinity, the zoom is considerably better at 200mm.
Vivek, right on the bokeh. I was surprised, it is so good at close quarters generally but here it starts to look like a mirror lens. Agreed on Albert's shots too. The 43-86 bokeh is nice as well... see the palm tree in the background?
Sorry, I forgot to add John's shot with that popular zoom. That background rendition is also much nicer than the ones I get from my micronikkors when I try them close to infinity. BTW, the Leitz made tele lenses (yes, prime tele lenses) behave exactly like the micronikkors when it comes to bokeh!
Hawk: Red shouldered or Marsh (aka northern Harrier)?
Nikon F3, Nikon 300 AFD/F4, EBX
Kolkata birds are in Florida??
At least, one of them sure is in Tampa now!
"Leitz made tele lenses (yes, prime tele lenses) behave exactly like the micronikkors when it comes to bokeh!"
Not in my experience:
Great Blue Heron - Everglades National Park, Florida
Leicaflex SL, Leitz 400mm f/6.8 Telyt
Wow. Wow! Douglas, one of the nicest I've ever seen. The whole photograph -- not just the bokeh.
Beautiful and sharp capture (Telyt), Douglas. Not exactly my taste of OOF rendition. Grass from the back look to be in the front.
Vivek, not really -- to my eyes. They have a 3D feel but they're behind allright. The ones at bottom-right corner are actually at the front.
Not exactly my taste of OOF rendition. Not as bad as some from the famed APO Telyt 180mm lens though!
Vivek, I agree the 180 f/3.4 APO-Telyt can show poor bokeh, but IMHO it's unwise to characterize an entire product line based on a single product. If I were to do that with Nikon 300mm lenses, I could gush about how gorgeous the bokeh is (f/4.5 Nikkor-H) or how long Nikkors have worse bokeh than the 180mm f/3.4 APO-Telyt (f/4.5 ED, pre-IF). All from personal experience.
Douglas, Don't get me wrong. I love sharp lenses. Actively pursue them, have piles of them (not only Nikon made lenses) and use them. It is a different question when it comes to a subjective matter like OOF rendition (or bokeh). I just happen to like the "creamy smooth"OOF from some lenses. The cherished 50mm f/2 Summicron I have is one of them. With already restricted wide aperture (the sample you posted) at f/6.8, getting this kind of bokeh is not that easy. One needs to have very isolated fore/backgrounds. Thanks for the posting of your fine picture. Glad that provocative general statement worked! Vivek.
Nothing like a provocative general statement to get the discussion going, eh Vivek? ;-)
Great photos all, and Douglas, you have some really outstanding stuff on your site!
Are you from the "great white north", Jon?
Hawk: Red shouldered or Marsh (aka northern Harrier)?
Definitely not a harrier. Possibly a juvenile red-shouldered. Where was this taken (it's way paler than the red-shoulders I'm used to in California).
Vivek, it's a lot more dingy gray here this time of year. The only birds left in my immediate vicinity are either directionally challenged or either pigeons or gulls.
Mark I photographed the hawk at Honeymoon Island State Park, Dunedin, Florida about two weeks ago. There is a 1.2 mile nature trail on the north end of the island called the Osprey Trail, which is abundant in Osprey and some Bald eagles. Occasionally you will see a Red tailed or Red Shouldered hawk in the inland wooded areas, but I believe this bird is a juvenile as it was easy to approach within 30 yards.
My apologies Vivek, I was a wee bit testy in my previous responce. Now, to keep myself on-topic here's Florida bird made with the old 300mm f/4.5 Nikkor-H:
Wood Stork - Everglades National Park, Florida
Nikon FTn, 300mm f/4.5 Nikkor-H, ca. 1980
Kolkata birds are in Florida?? - Bryan Lardizabal At least, one of them sure is in Tampa now! - Vivek Iyer I couldn't have replied better...LOL
Saikat, Wow, you guys actually got a kick out of me playing dumb --- you and Vivek both got PUNKED!!! LOL
Last I heard: The winged "aliens"did not even need a visa!
Bryan: I'm about 95% certain your hawk is a red-shouldered (juvenile, as you say). They're much darker in California, as here (some pictures of sitting adults are here ). Red-tails are highly variable (even more than red-shoulders) but juveniles usually show a very strong breast 'band' of heavy spotting, as with the bird at upper left on this page.
"you guys actually got a kick out of me 'playing' dumb" - no harm in having some fun - Eh!
"Fun eh!" ...Yes! Next time someone should post a picture of a Pina "Kolata" instead of the boring "Kolkata" bird
Hey Byran...viewing your interesting portfolio posted in this site coupled with your sense of humour, I guess I have to accept your views
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