Nikon Z9, Teaser #3

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by ShunCheung, Oct 20, 2021.

  1. f/6.3 already bothers me, so f/7.1 surely would. Including a PF element might make a 100-500/4.5-5.6 possible without making it too large or too heavy. The burden on one's wallet though might be substantial as I expect such a lens to cost at least as much as the 500PF (though cost could come down with expected higher production numbers - if Nikon can produce a sufficient number of PF elements).

    It's a matter of what lenses Nikon plans on releasing for the Z-mount and what people are going to be using them for. I consider a 80/100-400 a nice all-around lens especially suitable for traveling. Others may find it too large/heavy for that purpose and use a 70-300 instead. Others again rather have a 70-200/2.8 and don't need anything longer. A 70-200/4 is often an alternative - though it appears to me that it's not a popular lens at all. I like mine, especially when mounted on a D500 and used in conjunction with the 24-105 on an FX body.

    Agreed on the slow AF, size and weight on the 200-500; in addition there is the issue that one can't zoom fast and with one continuous motion through the entire zoom range.
     
  2. I had issues with both the 80-400 AF-S and 200-500, unfortunately. The first I liked for its contrast and beautiful colours which made it very good for landscape, but I couldn't keep it steady on tripod for slow shutter speeds which are typically needed around sunrise / sunset or much of the winter in northern latitudes. Later Nikon introduced the EFCS feature which might have made a difference, but the lens would still have been prone to wind. For moving subjects it has a nice, fast zoom with a lot of range quickly at the user's fingertips. The 200-500 was sharper but lacked nano coating so it wasn't as impressive shooting into the light, but it did give generally clean images. However, the zoom on the 200-500 is very stiff and focus is a bit on the slow side. I guess I was a bit too demanding on those lenses.

    I might give the upcoming Z 100-400 a try. At least my camera now has EFCS so it should be OK to use at slow speeds on tripod. However, there is also a 200-600mm on the roadmap and this could be an internal zoom, which would make it easier to use for moving subjects on tripod (gimbal or fluid head) as the center of gravity would likely not shift much when zooming. Though the 100-400 will no doubt be more portable.

    There is now also a rumor about an f/4 zoom to be announced at the same time with the Z9 and 100-400; this could be the 24-105/4. And an FTZ II, a new version of the adapter.
     
  3. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    After the official introduction of the DX 18-140, on the most recent Nikon Z lens roadmap, there are only six more lenses that have not yet been released, and Nikon has indicated that all of them will be introduced by the end of the current fiscal year, i.e. March 31, 2022. (I am sure Nikon will continue to have new Z-mount lenses after that, but whether they will pre-announce them in an updated roadmap remains to be seen.)
    • 85mm S, most likely f1.2
    • 24-105mm S, probably a constant f4
    • 100-400mm S, and that looks like an f4.5 - 5.6
    • 200-600mm, non S, I assume it'll be f6.3 on the long end, similar to Sony's 200-600
    • 400mm S, likely f2.8
    • 600mm S, likely f4
    Most likely the 400mm S, 600mm S and 100-400mm S will be announced simultaneously with the Z9. (Back on August 23, 2007, Nikon announced the D3 and D300, along with five new lenses: 14-24mm/f2.8 AF-S, 24-70mm/f2.8 AF-S, 400mm/f2.8, 500mm/f4, and 600mm/f4 AF-S VR.) Essentially those flagship bodies such as D3 and Z9 would be meaningless without the proper lens support, and the Z-mount desperately needs lenses longer than 200mm. Whether Nikon also announce the 24-105 and 200-600 on the same day or a month or two later doesn't make a whole lot of difference. It looks like the 2022 Consumer Electronic Show (CES) will once again be in person, starting on January 5, 2022 in Las Vegas. I assume Nikon will have some lenses, and perhaps a camera body, to announce then.

    After those lenses already on the roadmap, I assume a 70-300mm zoom and 500mm/f4 S would have high priority. As Dieter points out, the 70-200mm/f4 in the F=mount doesn't seem to sell all that well, although I like mine. After those, we may be talking about more consumer compact lenses, some DX wide angle, fisheye and PC-E lenses. There are also no PF teles currently in the Z mount. Personally, I would be surprised that Nikon introduce any more F-mount product.

    Speaking of the Canon RF 100-500mm lens, it is a high-end L lens that sells for $2800, although it is a slow f7.1 on the 500mm end. It is relatively compact, for a 500mm, and takes 77mm front filters. A 500mm/f5.6 requires 95mm front filters. Another odd "feature" is that it can only accept a 1.4x teleconverter when it is zoomed to 300mm and longer. In the last couple of years, Canon has introduced some 600mm/f11 and 800mm/f11 super teles for below $1000. It looks like they somehow are optimizing for compact lenses. We'll see how Nikon's Z 200-600 will be like. Sony's 200-600 is f6.3 on the long end.
     
  4. The World seems to divided as to whether it an FTZ-E (only) or an FTZ-D (screwdrive)

    I think the later is unlikely, but who knows?...!
     
  5. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    The problem with the current FTZ is that the stupid tripod foot is going to block the vertical grip on the Z9. However, that foot currently houses the mechanical aperture control motor for all F-mount lenses prior to those with an electronic aperture diaphragm, namely the E and P type lenses. I just checked my purchase record. The 2014 70-200mm/f4 AF-S VR was the very last lens with a mechanical aperture diaphragm that I purchased. Everything after that such as the 300mm PF, 500mm PF, and 24-70mm/f2.8 AF-S VR are all E lenses.

    If there is a new FTZ in conjunction with the Z9, I would say it'll be one that can only work with E (and P) type F-mount lenses, such that it only has electronics but no more motors. I am not even sure E-type F-mount lenses can fully realize the Z9's potential. Most Z9 owners will use pretty much all native Z-mount lenses, perhaps with a few exceptions such as the 500mm PF that is not available in the Z mount yet.
     
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  6. I doubt Nikon will release one of those. I imagine it would have to be larger than the current FTZ because it needs to house an additional motor. Also, I doubt that screwdriver lenses work well with the mirrorless' AF algorithms.

    In any case, doesn't matter to me as I no longer own any screw-driven AF lenses.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2021
  7. D780 live view autofocuses AF Nikkors pretty well so there is no reason not to have the support of screwdriver AF Nikkors in the adapter except additional complexity. Sony have an adapter which has no bulge and it focuses Sony/Minolta screwdrive AF lenses though user reports are varied in regards to which products are compatible. It seems to prove that it can be done but doesn't seem to be a finished implementation. The bugs and incompatibilities do not take away from the fact that it is compact and houses all the needed parts without bulges. It can be done.

    The FTZ is compatible with MB-N11 vertical grip so I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work with the Z9. Of course, fingers having enough space is another question. Another, improved adapter is, of course, very welcome.
     
  8. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    The difference between Minolta and Nikon is that Nikon has quite a few pretty big AF/AF-D lenses. There were actually two versions of the 300mm/f2.8 that used screwdriver AF from the "stone age," but I would imagine that next to nobody is still using them now. However, there are still three versions of the 80-200mm/f2.8 AF/AF-D (way back in 1989, I paid $1000 for the first version of 80-200mm/f2.8 AF, pre D) and a 300mm/f4 AF. A Nikon adapter will have to include a pretty strong AF motor to drive those big lenses.

    If all you need to drive are some 50mm/f1.4, 24mm/f2.8, 20mm/f2.8 type AF-D lenses, the motor requirement is much simpler. I actually still own a 24mm/f2.8 AF-D, but its optical formula is the same as the 24mm/f2.8 AI, pre-AI-S, I bought back in 1978. There is little point to use such ancient lenses on Z bodies now. Z lens designs have improved drastically because they don't need to leave so much space behind the rear element for the mirror. Other than telephotos that have no Z equivalents yet, I am not using any F-mount lenses on Z bodies.
     
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2021
  9. There are some lenses that are only available in screwdriver AF designs, e.g. the DC Nikkors, the 200mm f/4 Micro and then there are those of us who like a particular lens's rendering; although I replaced my 85/1.4 AF D with the AF-S G version, I kind of miss some of the way the older lens made images look, more colour contrast (the G AF-S version is more neutral) somehow. I did hate the imprecise AF and often stopped the AF D lens down a bit (to f/1.8 or f/2.5) but still I think that lens offered something different from the current ones. In the spring I used the 200 Micro with autofocus to photograph frogs and no other Nikon lens would have given those images. There is also the 70-180 mm Micro-Nikkor that offers unique framing flexibility in a lens for close-ups.
     

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