john_morris4 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 OK, so maybe I'm exaggerating a little. And it was really $230. But it really is a fabulous lens. I had searched the photo.net archives before I bought it, and I couldn't find any strong opinions about it. All the comments about lenses that length said things like, "the 80-200 f/2.8 is the most wonderful Nikon telephoto zoom, and every serious photographer should have one." There were lots of comments essentially like that. But I already had an 80-200 f/4 lens that I'm happy with, and an 85 f/1.8. So when I recently needed something like 200mm at f/2.8, I figured I couldn't go too wrong with a Nikkor 180 at that price, even if there weren't comments about it in the archives. What I found out is that all of you who have been using this lens for years have been holding out. It's splendid. It's bright, and sharp, it's not too big, and the out-of-focus areas even look pretty nice. And I can use it wide open with hardly enough vignetting (light falloff toward the corners) to notice. This is important to me -- I like even illumination across the frame for most of the pictures I take, especially with a long lens (where it's frequently easier to see this problem). It's one thing I don't like about my 80-200 f/4, so I'm reluctant to use it wide open. So, in effect, I've gained two stops at 180mm. For those people finding this in the archives when looking for information about this lens, I'll say it again: the 180mm f/2.8 ED is a brilliant, no excuses kind of lens. I bought the AIS-ED version, but I expect that the AF version is the same. If there's an ED-IF, it might be even better. If you can live with the fixed focal length, then it's really a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vgoklani Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 where did you buy it from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly_flanigan1 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 John; I have the same lens in ED AI; and it is very good. I like it for sports. This lens is made to focus past infinity; the focal length varies slightly with temperature; this is part of the design; so dont be freaked out if yours focuses past "infinity". So beware about cranking it to the end stop; and assuming that the lense will be sharp; when aimed at a far away subject. My lens also will slowly creep in focus when aimed down at a 45 degree angle; or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h._p. Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 It's an excellent lens if you don't mind the weight - balances well on something heavy like a F4S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkka_nissila Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Huh? You didn't find anything on it? Can somebody please write a decent seach engine!?? I thought everybody knew it is one of Nikon's finest. Maybe there's little said about it because it's a prime lens. Prime teles are sometimes a bit difficult to use because you may need to move your feet quite a bit. Still, I really like my AF-D version of the lens - light, small, sharp, contrasty, clean. Not as universal as the 80-200/2.8 though, but far better in terms of technical image quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil_parker Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Kelly, thanks for the info about the 180 ED AIS focussing past infinity! I bought a user 180 ED a few months ago off *Bay for $195 incl shipping, a bit worn on the cosmetics, but perfect glass and it also focusses past infinity. I too have nothing but praise for this lens. I sold a perfect 100-300 5.6 AIS zoom to buy it in a fit of lens 'optimizing.' The zoom was very sharp, but a big heavy clunker to actually use, and I was unable to focus it fast enough for anything that moved. The 180 is a tremendous lens for concert shooting, for which I also use 105 & 85 f1.8s -mostly with FM2N + MD12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_h._hartman Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 I find the 180/2.8 ED gains a trivial amount of edge sharpness when stopped down from f/2.8 to f/4.0 but is virtually unchanged from f/2.8 to f/5.6. From f/8.0 to f/11 the bite gracefully declines due to diffraction, f/16 is just OK but f/22 and f/32 are pretty useless. <br> <br> It works nicely as a macro lens with a PN-11 and a PK-13 tube giving about 1/2 life size. A macro slider such as those by Velbon and others makes focusing easy. The lens probably flare a little easier than a late model 200/4.0 AIS non-macro. The 200/4.0 also makes a good macro lens (so I read). Ive never owned one because the early 200/4.0(s) didnt have such a good reputation. <br> <br> I like the size and weight and over-all optical performance. It balances well on any FM/FE family camera with an MD-12 motor or an F2, F3, F4 or F5. Its a great lens. <br> <br> ---<br> <br> <em>Huh? You didn't find anything on it? Can somebody please write a decent seach engine!?? --Ilkka Nissila<br> </em><br> Whats needed is a link to...<br> <br> <a href="http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en" target="_new"><u>http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en</u></a><br> <br> ...then use the Domain options "only" and "photo.net." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plattro Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 I, too, just recently got one (The AF 180/2.8 D ED version). It feels really solid, and it's not so big & heavy like the AF 80-200/2.8 ED zoom. That zoom is nice, but I just don't carry it around because it's big & heavy. The 180/2.8 is small & light enough to carry around in my bag. Theres some links about this lens at www.nikonlinks.com Ken Rockwell recommends to have a look at the aperture blades since the lens is open at the rear, and stuff can get in and onto them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex_lofquist Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 At $230 you have a real bargain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian_caldwell Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Kelly wrote: "My lens also will slowly creep in focus when aimed down at a 45 degree angle; or more" That's interesting, because my 200mm f/4 AI will do the same thing in certain circumstances, but my 180/2.8 AIS won't. Its one of the few reasons to prefer AIS over AI. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert_Lai Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 John, I don't know why you think no one writes about this lens. Look at this page from Grumpy's Railway photography page:<p> http://www.grumpysworld.com/photoguide/review.htm<p> Scroll down quite a bit and you'll see that he tells you to run out and get one right away. This coming from a guy who hates most lenses, and sold off two Nikon F5s at a loss because their split image rangefinder images didn't coincide with groundglass focus!<p> A persistent rumour has it that the versions of the lens not marked "ED" do indeed have ED glass. I saw a used 180 f/2.8 without the ED marking at my local camera store for $250.00. Once on my camera, boy is it bright and sharp! I didn't see any color fringing in the corners and edges at all. Now you're starting to make me think about going back to that store.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnps Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 I have the AF version and love it. I have been tempted to sell it a couple of times because it doesn't get used a lot compared to my wide angle zooms - its a bit heavy for back-packing - but I just couldn't do it. Took it to a concert once and heres one of the shots.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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