Discussion in 'Olympus' started by sanford, Feb 4, 2012.
Interesting that it has TWO grip attachments: One similar to old-school grips for manual focus film cameras, and another grip for vertical shooting. I don't think I'd use both of them together, but it's nice to have the option to enlarge you camera like that.
I don't know why all the negativity at 43rumors, I rather like it from the first two photos. Miserere, so you are the Enticing the Light guy - one of the sites I visit regularly.
looks like a dslr to me...
It would be a tiny DSLR. Once you see it in someone's hand, it'll be obvious.
I just wish Olympus could create a very small full frame camera like the OM was.
God I love the look of that camera. I want one!
Could be the micro camera that professionals would not mind using as a permanent piece of armament. And if it was alloy framed and water sealed, attractive indeed. It also has to look sharp and fulfill the dream of an OM class small but sleek and tough little bugger. So will be fun to watch and see what springs from the peak of Olympus.... Now, my only keen wonder at the moment is whether Olympus has managed to pull a rabbit out a hat ( a groundhog would do) by incorporating a dual focus system that would give the best of phase detect and contrast detect with an electronic finder of high res. If that happens, well hunky dunky time for the community. We all knew the 4/3 lenses were coups for the company. The bodies, well, not always quite good enough. Will the lens mount handle the large lens. Well,why not.
It needs to be a least as big as the original OM or it is going to seem like a tiny toy camera. Has anyone come across the dimensions.
If it's weather-sealed, tough, with decent evf, then it's going to be a good landscape camera - as long as the sensor is better then the Pens - more resolution and more dynamic range, the latter the more important. Oh, and it has still to be light. But that body with a 12-50 would be compelling.
There's no information as to the megapixels and other features. I suppose they'll go with 16 megapixels and hopefully better resolution and ability to shoot in low light conditions, higher ISO and greater performance. They will have to market the camera against the high-end Nikons and Canons.
I like the idea of m4:3 because I can use all my Pen F Zuikos and my Leica M-mount CV lenses on them. This looks nice but the price will be way out of range for this old guy. But the introduction of the 'newest and greatest' does sometimes drive down used prices so I might be able to swing an E-PL1 with a VF-2 now.
What I find amusing is some of the comments, almost to the effect of; 'Well, if they don't build exactly what I want then it's a total fail!' You don't see much of that tripe here at P-net but some forums seem full of it. Why do they comment at all? If Olympus is such a horrible camera, well, there are lots of brands to select from. They should do some more research, find something that meets their lofty standards, buy that camera and be happy. I hear the Leica S2 is pretty doggone good, and the body is only 23K.
And some people are fixed in a mental straightjacket of sorts. Gotta be full frame i.e. bigger than APS-C or 4/3 to be a serious newcomer. This at a time when most shots come from phones. No I do not stoke flames with one more ultimo defense of the quality of the smaller sensor sizes and their sequellae. We been there a lot. We even count 6X6 w 220 backs in our "full- frame" past, but time marches on...
Go forth my son, take the right tool for the job as you see it. Nonetheless, If you are in a hole don't sneer at a rope ladder or those who use them successfully.
The vertical grip is a separate accessory, just like in E-3 and E-5. OM did not have a grip like that.
Not quite what I expected but looks nice anyway.
I like that it has the Portrait/Battery Grip but I do not like the fact you can only attach it with the other grip , meaning you cant just attach a battery grip alone.
dan Mar wrote:
I like that it has the Portrait/Battery Grip but I do not like the fact you can only attach it with the other grip , meaning you cant just attach a battery grip alone.Are you sure that's the case? It would seem silly it it is.
Sanford Edelstein wrote:
Miserere, so you are the Enticing the Light guyThat would be me, sir.
one of the sites I visit regularly.Thanks! Much appreciated. It's been a bit quiet there lately, so you might want to subscribe to the RSS feed or e-mail notifications. I just don't have as much time to write now :-(
It looks to me that the grips are exactly the same as in E-3 or E-5. The normal grip is built into the body and cannot be removed. The vertical grip and battery pack are one additional unit that attaches to the bottom. It probably holds two standard batteries, but the one in the camera needs to be removed to attach the grip.
I wonder why the 'prism' is so big and stands out so high. If it is an EVF as is most likely, it could well be a bit lower to make the camera that much smaller. It is silly if they just want to make it look like an OM without any real purpose.
I'm also curious about the humpy hump...
It looks to me that the grips are exactly the same as in E-3 or E-5. The normal grip is built into the body and cannot be removed. The vertical grip and battery pack are one additional unit that attaches to the bottom.I'm not sure I understand what you mean. The E-M5 has no protruding grip, it's very much like an E-P3. Then there's an accessory grip for shooting in the horizontal position, and then there's a separate, accessory vertical grip for the portrait position (which may or may not be able to be mounted separately from the horizontal grip).
Is this what you're describing?
You can see the Olympus E-M5 without any of the grips in this photo.
Here is a picture of the two grips. It looks like you can only attach the vertical grip with the horizontal one.
OK. I had not seen that picture before. Looks like they are really aping the old OM and have built a separate 'motordrive' that gives both vertical and horizontal grip. Coming back to my comment on the bulging prism housing. Not sure if that is a sensible thing. E-P1 was cute with its retro styling that made it look smaller than it is. If now they are trying to make a camera look like an OM-4 without any real reason, I think they are on completely wrong track. E-1 was good because it was a digital SLR built from the gound up, not a film conversion like all other DSLRs have been.
Our preview with my thoughts after handling one at CES.
What does the E-M5 bring to the table? It costs more than the Panasonic GH2, lacks onboard flash, and otherwise has almost exactly the same specs.
Bill Tuthill wrote:
It costs more than the Panasonic GH2But less than the GH3. And less than the GH2 when it was released. When the E-M6 is released a little later than a year from now, it will also cost less than it as its price will have gone down by then.
I think the E-M5 is smaller than the GH2, but other than that, you're right, it brings nothing except its charming retro look. However, I'd hazard a guess that photographers will be more inclined to purchase the Olympus while videographers will purchase the Panny. That's my hunch
For me, Oly is better (than panny) because it has better jpegs, IBIS, art filters, touch oled tiltable screen and muliple exposure features, if I want to get artsy
What does the E-M5 bring to the table? It costs more than the Panasonic GH2, lacks onboard flash, and otherwise has almost exactly the same specs....
You need to look a little closer, and maybe read the specifications...
Improved in-body 5 axis stabilization, and for ANY lens you want to use, AF or manual focus, and this new stabilization also stabilizes the finder, too, eliminating one of the advantages of the GH2..... when used with a lens that has the built-in OIS.
The included clip-on flash allows for remote TTL work with accessory units. The GH2's built-in flash does not.
The accessory two-part grip is a huge addition to this system for those who want the convenience of the vertical release and added battery capacity.
Every Olympus to this point has done a better job processing JPEG files using the same sensor Panasonic uses. For JPEG shooters, I expect this to remain the same compared to the G3 and GX1 (GH2 uses a different sensor).
The GH2 has been out there at this point for a while, so comparing the current price of a GH2 to a brand new Olympus model is just a little lame. When it was first new, the GH2 was more expensive than it is now, and you can bet on the GH3 being more expensive than the E-M5.
Anyone know if it has manual focus peaking?
Anyone know if it has manual focus peaking?Only sony nex and ricoh gxr have it AFAIK
Anyone know if it has manual focus peaking?
Nope, but it does have an eyelevel finder.
WTF? They're marketing it as a continuation of the OM line without any kind of MF assist for all the old Zuiko glass the OM guys were hoping to use on this camera? That's beyond lame.
There is MF assisting, just not focus peaking. And no matter the name...it has nothing in common with the OM film cameras *except* the name and maybe the humpy hump look
Any word on what exactly the manual assist is on the OM-D?
If enough users take issue with the lack of peaks is that something a firmware update could bring to the camera?
Only sony nex and ricoh gxr have it AFAIKThe Pentax K-01 has it as well.
I see the camera cost exactly the same in euros as it does in dollars. So the euro is only worth a buck now!? And to think I almost bought some euros as an investment. Whew!
In an interview with an Olympus exec he said that it didn't have focus peaking because it isn't that useful—because magnification view is better.
Translation: Olympus haven't developed focus peaking and are forced to pretend it's not useful in order to save face.
The Ricoh/Pentax focus peaking is a different implementation to the Sony peaking, and it's possible both are proprietary and patented, which would put Olympus in a difficult situation should they want to develop their own as they'd have to somehow do it without infringing other's patents. If focus peaking is like face-detection (a third party software licensed by each camera brand) then Olympus would just need to pony up the licensing fees.
For the moment, the E-M5 has the same manual focus aid as all the other Oly micro-4/3: Magnification of a part of the FoV. This is fine for static shooting, but not for shooting moving objects.
In my opinion, the chrome version has a much better, more traditional looking textured covering than the black version.
Any word on what exactly the manual assist is on the OM-D?The MF assist of Pen cameras works like this: you select an area of the screen where you want to focus on (like selecting AF point on an SLR) and then the camera zooms in to that area whenever you rotate the focusing ring; you stop and it shows you the full frame for checking the composition. You can switch like this back and forth to check composition and focus - works pretty well.
For completely MF lenses, this does not work, because the camera cannot sense the rotation of the focusing ring. However, you can always manually zoom in and out of the image using dedicated buttons. It's like the assist, only manual.
In addition to this, I found the LCD of my E-PL2 camera to be very helpful in determining focus even without zooming in. With the risk of shocking some people, I have to say that I found it about as reliable as an OVF. On static subjects with the zooming in capability, I can focus more accurately than I ever did with an SLR. This aspect is what convinced me that it is time to move away from SLRs.
For static wide shots that should be sufficient. I tend to use my 16mm fisheye for candids with friends, but considering the 2.0 crop that lens would be of little use anyways, with or without peaking.
I strongly disagree with it being of little use though as the Oly rep says. It will shelve my 28 & 40mm Zuiko's, two fine pieces of glass I would use otherwise. It's not a deal breaker, but I did look longingly at the NEX7 after hearing that. Other buyers may not have the Oly bias I do.
I have to say I'm leaning towards black, reminds me of my much loved OM3
This 5-axis stabilization thing? Pentax has had it since the K-7 in 2009, or before.
"It looks like an EP3 with a pagoda on top." --Edymagno, Merida Mexico
This 5-axis stabilization thing? Pentax has had it since the K-7 in 2009, or before.Working hard at starting urban legends, eh?
The Pentax system compensates for three types of movement - horizontal, vertical, and rotation around optical axis. The Olympus system further adds yaw and pitch compensation.
Learn more about the E-M5 (OM-D) here...
Miserere Mei , Feb 06, 2012; 12:16 p.m.
Are you sure that's the case? It would seem silly it it is.Yes it is. I am sure.
Sanford Edelstein Feb 04, 2012; 11:11 p.m.
It needs to be a least as big as the original OM or it is going to seem like a tiny toy camera. Has anyone come across the dimensions.ok, Look here. It's about the same size, being a smidge taller at the hump. But i seen another site with actual dimensions and along side the OM-4 showing it about the same as the OM-4 . I just cant find the link. It is after all a continuation of the professional OM line, with the OM-4 being the last. I suppose that's why they designated it the E-M5
Olympus has finally released the new m4/3...
For those wondering about its size, click here to see an Olympus family photo with measurements.
I would say the body itself (not counting the mount or viewfinder is about the same thickness and height for both the E-M5 and OM-4, while the E-M5 is 1.5 cm (0.6") less wide.
They now have it listed on camerasize.com
Extreme close-ups of the body at ephotozine reveal that, fit and finish wise, it ain't no Leica.
Extreme close-ups of the body at ephotozine reveal that, fit and finish wise, it ain't no Leica.It doesn't cost like one either
Any link to full size image samples yet?
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