New Canon 7D mk II (spec leaked)

Discussion in 'Canon EOS' started by edwardchen, Sep 11, 2014.

  1. Much anticipated semi-pro cropped sensor camera is here:

    http://www.thenewcamera.com/canon-7d-ma … on-leaked/

    Canon 7D Mark II Major specification

    - Body of tough magnesium alloy
    - Dust and water
    - 20.2MP CMOS sensor
    - Dual Pixel CMOS AF
    - A new 65-point AF. All points cross type
    - EOS iTR AF
    - Continuous shooting 10 frames / sec.
    - Dual DIGIC6
    - Upper limit of the normal ISO sensitivity 16000
    - RGB + IR photometry sensor of new 150000 pixels
    - Video Full HD 60p
    - GPS Built-in
    - Interval Timer
    - Bulb Timer

    If this is true, I can't be more excited. I have been longing for Nikon D300s replacement and canon just provides one with killer spec.

    65 AF points all cross types? I am already happy with 5dmk3 41 cross types point, and this one will be more accurate in every AF points you choose.

    GPS built-in. Every photos is geotagged. Awesomeness.

    I am definitely getting one!
     
  2. Sounds like a wish list to me. May or may not relate to an actual camera. I am glad that dust and water are included with the camera though.
     
  3. Spearhead

    Spearhead Moderator

    This is appearing on legitimate sites and there are places accepting pre-orders. What seems to be missing is wi-fi, I can't imagine this coming without it. A
     
  4. [[What seems to be missing is wi-fi, I can't imagine this coming without it]]
    Indeed. Rumor sites have been claiming no Wifi for a couple weeks now but I just don't buy it. Not this class of camera and not in 2014.
     
  5. I thought lack of WiFi in this camera is due to its construction (all the metal inside)?
    Its too bad Canon does make one of the plug in Wifi modules like Nikon has. Price it at $50. That would get the antennae outside the body interference. Actually, just include it with the body when sold new.
     
  6. Those leaks specs are poorly written and even contradict each other. I doubt this thread will have a long life here.
     
  7. Boy I sure am glad they are using tough magnesium alloy! I can't stand the weak magnesium alloys!
    ... but is the dust sterile? I wouldn't want fungus laden dust
    lol, this sounds like one of the fleabay 'imported direct from highest quality china" ads.
    I won't get too excited about it until CANON releases the specs (if they ever do).
     
  8. Wow, that sounds really nice.
     
  9. I have Wi-Fi in two of my cameras. I enjoyed playing with it for a few weeks and rarely use it anymore. The nicest feature was using my iPhone as a controller: worked great but sure ate batteries. But then I shoot hand held 99% of the time so Wi-Fi is right up there with the Direct Print button. Connecting to computers via Wi-Fi was a nightmare. Hopefully the 7D2 has a better GPS implementation than the 6D. The 6D is slow to lock and quick to lose the signal in big cities. 40 or 50% of my images don't get geotagged.
     
  10. I don't understand how so many people slam this camera even before it comes out.
    It comes with Dust AND Water! No other camera has ever included both-AS STANDARD EQUIPMENT!
    All the other companies can only dream of including these
     
  11. Next week is Photokina. If there is anywhere (and anywhen) that Canon would release information on a 7D MkII, it would be at Photokina on the first day, which is September 16th. I expect to see a release on that day.
    I suspect this rumor is true, so this thread probably won't be removed (which is what happens to wild speculation!).
    The spec list appears to be a Google translation from a Japanese website - http://digicame-info.com/2014/09/eos-7d-mark-ii-18.html, presumably it should be "dust and water resistant" of course
     
  12. Bob, I'm sure you are right, and all the specs except for one sound like plausible upgrades for a potential 7D2 except one.
    That is, of course, the 'normal' ISO limit of 16000, which is 1/3 stop above the full stop of 12800 I don't think I've ever seen a non-full stop limit before on a Canon. Although that is 1/3 stop above the 70D, which has (presumably) the same sensor. And that begs the question of whether H1 & H2 are 32000/64000 or 25600/51400 (not that I'd want to use either anyway ;) )
    Ah well, we've all waited for years for the answers, it'd be nice if we finally got some...
     
  13. Personally I was hoping for another one of those rebels with the 18 mp sensor.
     
  14. I wonder if we will see the f8 AF capability, that would be an improvement. Assuming the AF is similer to the 5D III this
    should be possible.
     
  15. I thought lack of WiFi in this camera is due to its construction (all the metal inside)?
    Its too bad Canon does make one of the plug in Wifi modules like Nikon has. Price it at $50. That would get the antennae outside the body interference. Actually, just include it with the body when sold new.​
    Construction: Maybe, but then why can it have GPS, but not WiFi? That's what doesn't make sense to me.
    Canon does make a couple WiFi modules. Nowhere near $50, though! More like 10 times that! Seriously insane money for a chip that costs a couple bucks in quantity...
    WiFi or not, I'm planning to get one...
     
  16. I've seen this information in a lot of places. We'll see what happens next week.
    The GPS is great, but I sure wish the ISO was higher. Low light capability similar to or better than the 5DIII would make this camera perfect for me.
    Anyone seen any rumors on the price?
     
  17. What? No DEP mode? Seriously, I loved that on my old 630 film cam...
     
  18. "why can it have GPS, but not WiFi"
    There's a "hump" on top of the flash housing that presumably has the GPS antenna in it. Perhaps there wasn't room for WiFi too and/or a co-located WiFi antenna would interfere with GPS when the WiFi transmitted. There's really nowhere else outside the metal chassis they could have easily put it. For those who really need WiFi I'm sure there will be some sort of external "plug-in" option, hopefully at a price closer to that of the Nikon unit than the current Canon unit. If it uses SD cards maybe a WiFi SD card would work over short distances, despite being inside the metal housing.
    See picture Here of the hump on the flash cover.
    I suspect the price will be somewhere between the 70D and the 6D, and not much different from the launch price of the 7D. I'd guess at maybe $1600?
     
  19. My guess is $1800...$1900 new and will drop a few $$$ after the holidays.
    The little Nikon wifi module is definitely priced nice and quite nice in size. I sure hope Canon goes there.
    I tried a Eye-Fi card in a rebel and was ho-hum. I then tried it in my 5D2 (had to be in CF->SD adapter which didn't help) and it was so slow that I decided to sell the little card to a friend that could make better use of it than me. In the end what I liked best was the CF->SD card adapter which I now use all the time.
    I suspect that little wifi card buried in a rugged body like the 7D2 is not going result in a enjoyable experience. Having wifi built into the device is much better as there is a nice configuration screen on the back vs having to move the Eye-Fi card back to a PC to configure it. I just don't get why they can't use a external antennae somehow.
    Provided the "leaked" specs are close to what will be announce I must also admit a being a bit let down. I know that 7D2 will be a phenomenal camera, able to take fantastic images and video across all types of subjects, venues, etc. So I am not let down by this particular camera.
    Actually, the let down is more like "Canon where are you...". Sony is out there developing some great imagers. Their partnerships are probably giving them financial breathing room to go there. So that then lets Nikon (and even Hasselblad) move forward when it comes to resolution and DR.
    I really, really like Canon products and I just want to see them bring another hit (like the 5D2) to say we are here, we're not standing still and we can innovate. I guess I am hoping they will do that soon now but the 7D2 (unless there's a big surprise) seems like we'll now be seeing 5yrs of this 20MP crop sensor and another 3yrs before another FF. And who knows how long before a industry changing announcement?
    Aside:
    Canon - how about a 40..50 megapixel imager. Square. Bigger than 35mm but doesn't need to be quite as big as 6x6. Let me mount my EF lenses on it and crop the image. Let me mount manual focus MF lenses on (and crop the sweet spot of the lens). No mirror. Nice EVF and articulating touchscreen. No video mode (saying a lot from me as I love DSLR video). Rock the low ISO (5), maybe max ISO of 3200. WiFi built in. Maybe a ND filter built in! Price it at about $3699. I will take my stash of Sony A7r money I have saved up put it towards this camera today. I get to keep using all my EF lenses (and have autofocus and aperture). And I can also use my Hasselblad lenses. I'll probably sell my Hasselblad kit and buy more Canon stuff. Come Canon bring digital MF to lowly masses :)
     
  20. Canon - how about a 40..50 megapixel imager. Square. Bigger than 35mm but doesn't need to be quite as big as 6x6.

    No market for it, or at least a very, very small pro market. Doesn't make economic sense to sink big R&D dollars into a niche market product.
    The 7D is a fine APS-C camera. The 7D MkII will be even more capable. However for me there's a limit on how much extra "junk" I want in a camera. I don't want/need WiFi, GPS, or HD video. I don't want/need 10fps. To be perfectly honest, I'm happy with the 7D. Of course Canon have to keep adding stuff in order to sell new camera to people who don't have a 7D and to keep ahead of Nikon.
    In reality, leaps and bounds in DSLR performance are becoming limited. The technology is pretty mature now. Sure you can slightly increase resolition, slightly lower noise, slightly improve AF and so on, but major leaps like those we saw 10 or 15 years ago in digital are unlikely to happen. And in fact they aren't actually needed for 95% of DSLR owners. Back in the days of 3MP cameras there was need for improvement. Now we're at 20+ MP improvements will be marginal.
    Looks to me like Canon aren't looking to compete in the mirrorless camera business, which may or may not be a smart decision. `They're going head to head with Nikon, not Sony, for the traditional APS-C/FF market and with high end video camera makers with the EOS cinema DSLRs. They probably can't afford to get sidetracked into mirrorless. About the only thing that would drag them into it is if Nikon made a heavy investment in that direction, and maybe not even then.
     
  21. "65 AF points all cross types? I am already happy with 5dmk3 41 cross types point, and this one will be more accurate in every AF points you choose. "
    I bet you they are all bunched up in the middle of the viewfinder...
    Body of tough magnesium alloy
    What was it made out of before ?
    20.2MP CMOS sensor
    As if 18 wasn't enough
    GPS Built-in
    I bet journalist are going to have a ball with this one.
    Interval Timer
    About time !
     
  22. I'm with Bob on this one. I still really like my 7D and find that it still serves me quite well 5 years later. I will get a 7DII though because I'm really excited about the new AF and the increase in performance (response and hopefully less noise) that I imagine the dual Digic 6 processors will bring. I'm also excited about the new pixel technology just because it's new technology but as I believe it affects video output more than still photography, it probably won't be of great benefit to me as I don't really give hoot about video on my dslr. It actually sounds like an exciting camera to me, not groundbreaking for sure, but still exciting. Now bring on the "Is the 7DII better than the 5DIII" threads!
     
  23. I'm sure the 7DII is a great body, with significant improvements over the 7D, but the only thing that would induce me to upgrade my 7D is if the newer body has substantially better low ISO dynamic range. If it has a newly developed sensor (rather than just a variation on the 70D's sensor), this might well be the case.
    Are there any specs yet on the 7DII's DR?
     
  24. Specs will come next week, but Canon don't spec DR. For that you'll have to wait for a detailed review which might not appear for a month or more, depending on how quickly Canon can ship out samples for testing.
    I'm guessing the sensor will at least be based on that of the 70D since it's the same size and also pixel count and uses dual pixels. It's possible the readout electronics may be different to enhance data transfer speed but I wouldn't hold my breath for any major difference in noise or DR. I very much doubt that Canon have gone to a new fabrication scheme and/or chip architecture, which is what would be required for a significant performance change/
     
  25. Looks like a damned nice camera to me. Wishing they would release a 15mm EF-S lens; the equivalent of
    24mm on a full frame camera.
     
  26. According to PopPhoto.com, the lever around the joystick is for quick area focus selection. They say it has two media slots:
    1 CF, 1 SD. Price is set at $1,800 (same as 7D at introduction time). Has anyone read anything about the viewfinder? The
    PopPhoto note says it has interchangeable focusing screens, which I doubt are compatible with the active viewfinder of
    the current 7D (at least no other Canon camera has both so far, but there is always a time for a first).
     
  27. It's all true.
    I've just my first e-flyer from WEX here in the UK, for £1600.
    I'm a dedicated Nikon user, but if they don't step-up soon, I might have to reconsider.
     
  28. Looks like the leak was pretty accurate.
    Memory Type: CF Cards (Type I); Compatible with UDMA CD cards; SD, SDHC, and SDXC Memory Cards​
    I guess that means it has dual card slots, one CF, one SD? But no indication that it uses the UHS interface for SD cards.
     
  29. ...Nevermind, I should have looked at the press release.
    The EOS 7D Mark II camera features dual card slots for SD/SDHC/SDXC and CF memory cards, including Ultra High Speed (UHS-1) SD cards.​
     
  30. "Personally I was hoping for another one of those rebels with the 18 mp sensor."
    Bummer. My T2i backup hit the 18-mp plateau years ago, and nothing much ever changed in terms of image quality after that, at least not that I could see.
    --Lannie
     
  31. What counts is if they've improved the dynamic range, and noise figures, not a laundry list of toy like bells & whistles.
     
  32. Improved AF is unimportant compared to the "all-important" dynamic range? I would have thought excellent AF and low noise at high ISOs are the most important features for this camera? I am assuming the noise at high ISO will be better than the original as it's a new sensor for a 7D.
     
  33. The original (now 5-year-old design) of the 7D had rather nice low noise capabilties, even up to ISO 3200. This fresh, new 7D MkII specs read astoundingly (almost science-fiction-sounding were it published say just 10-11 years ago in the era of the 10D) excellent indeed.
    Cheers Canon, thanks!
     
  34. "Improved AF is unimportant compared to the "all-important" dynamic range?"
    Well yes, not to put to fine a point on it Robin. For me dynamic range trumps AF, but noise is equally important. I suppose for different types of photography AF will be quite important also. I don't really consider AF to be either a bell, or whistle. While I have no problem with improved AF it's as good as I need it to be, and would much prefer improved dynamic range.
     
  35. Bruce, I hear you, and I understand. Each have their own desires. Nothing wrong with that. And better dynamic range would certainly be welcome, but I don't think I've ever looked at my photos, or those of others and thought, "man, I wish it had more DR". On the other hand, I have often wished my 7D had better AF and less noise.
     
  36. Mark, every time I see a burned out highlight I say I wish I had more dynamic range. If one shoots a lot at midday it's really an evident need. Of course depending on what kind of photography you do AF may be the be all to you. In my own case knowing how to focus manually AF seems pretty good right now. ;) Bruce
     
  37. My eyes aren't quite good enough for manual focus, Bruce. So yes, I do depend on AF heavily. And I can see why you would want more DR for midday. But if the 7DII doesn't have more DR, I would consider it only one small checkbox left unchecked in a feature-rich sea of those that are checked.
     
  38. Yeah Mark, I can appreciate what you're saying because my eyes are not what they once were either. Well, I'm just hoping they bring the dynamic range up a bit because that's the only issue I can presently see that would keep the 7Dmkll from being a dream camera. Canon has been trailing Nikon in dynamic range for a while now, and it's the last remaining issue to keep me from jumping the Nikon ship.
     
  39. Canon shooters envy nikon'DR and nikon shooters envy canon's AF. I own d800e and 5Dmk3 and i know exactly the
    limitation of both cameras. I decided to use two systems since neither of them can satisfy my needs. Nikon is
    conservative with15 crosstypes AF points from D3 to the latest D4s. I hate it. A week ago I did a modeling shoot and
    how i missed (no kidding) 90% of the subject eyes under shade or dim indoor light. D800e sucks big time. Where in this
    situation i get more consistent / better accuracy with my canon 5dmk3.

    7dmk3 is a cropped sensor camera so dont expect a good DR performance. 7dmk3 is designed for speed and af
    accuracy. Else, for me, is a bonus.
     
  40. The D810 is more consistent in terms of autofocus accuracy in dim light with fast primes (f/1.4) than the D800/E; the designed corrected the wavelength dependent focus error in hardware when developing the camera (it also uses more advanced algorithms). I do agree with Edward that it would be helpful to have more cross type points (as provided in the 7D Mk II) even though it is possible to use linear points effectively with some practice.
     
  41. > 7dmk3 is a cropped sensor camera


    Maybe in the year 2018 it is.
     
  42. Spearhead

    Spearhead Moderator

    Ken, LOL, good catch.
     
  43. I don't think a cropped sensor necessarily means poor dynamic range. I had good dynamic range on both my D300, and D7000. My D610 has perhaps slightly better but nothing dramatic. I once had the Canon 40D which I loved, but for it's very limited dynamic range.
     
  44. LOL. I meant 7Dmk2.
    Bruce, It's not poor. I think it's in good enough level. If good enough doesn't meet your expectation, you should go at least consider going full frame or jumping ship to medium format.
    Ikka, my D800e is practically a landscape camera. Not an all-around camera anymore. The only way to get pinpoint accuracy is focusing through magnified live view, manually.
     
  45. So Edward I'm guessing you don't think Canon has done much to improve sensor performance beyond AF? If not, as the Sharks say "I'm out" ;)
     
  46. Edward Chen , Sep 17, 2014; 12:28 p.m. Canon shooters envy nikon'DR and nikon shooters envy canon's AF​
    They don't envy Canon AF in the crop-sensor market. I've been invested in both camps and never seen D300 owners moan as much as 7D owners about their autofocus.
    In the action shooter's market, DR advantage seems only limited though.
     
  47. Spearhead

    Spearhead Moderator

    Canon shooters envy nikon'DR and nikon shooters envy canon's AF​

    I've never encountered camera "envy" in the professional world. I suspect this is more an issue with camera owners than photographers. It's more important to shoot than to sit around thinking about cameras you don't own.
     
  48. Makes you wonder why we can't have the 'Best-of-both-Worlds'?
    I'm curious what the bottleneck is for either party? Nikon's Good* Pic, OK AF---Slow Speed. Canon's Poor* Pic, Good AF---Fast Speed?
    Oddly, the tech doesn't seem to be incompatable....it's not as if someones trying to put race-car tyres on a speed boat!
    *NB I'm using relative terms not absolute ones.
     
  49. The real advantage of Nikon's IQ is the Sony Exmor sensor which so far is unbeatable. If Canon can't produce a sensor of equal quality why don't they farm it out to Sony, or someone who can. Toshiba makes a fine sensor as witnessed by the Nikon D7100, and D5200. Why does Canon stubbornly insist on making their own sensors?
     
  50. Spearhead

    Spearhead Moderator

    I've never met anyone who lost a paying gig or didn't get a show because they used the "wrong" sensor. Of course, I've never seen anyone who really cared except on web forums.
     
  51. Each to their own, no? I'm among those who finds such things interesting, and enjoy photography as well.
     
  52. I've never met anyone who lost a paying gig or didn't get a show because they used the "wrong" sensor. Of course, I've never seen anyone who really cared except on web forums.​
    I enjoy both world : following technology development and creating artwork.
     
  53. > I've never encountered camera "envy" in the professional world. I suspect this is more an issue with camera owners than photographers. It's more important to shoot than to sit around thinking about cameras you don't own.
    LOL, I know what you mean. I can barely even imagine C v. N envy (unless all you care about is nerd tech and not the end result).
    LOL! Just wanted to repeat your excellent words JS.
     
  54. Well for some it may be a lot like walking, and chewing gum. You can't possibly be interested in both camera tech, and taking pictures. I mean unless you're one of those Nerds you mentioned.
     
  55. I have been using the Canon 7D since it came out in 2009.
    I managed to see a video review with Scott Kelby on the Canon 7D Mkii.
    After that I decided to buy the body. On the expensive side, but I think that it is well worth the expense.
    I am attaching a link to a different video clip
    http://scottkelby.com/2014/canon-announces-the-eos-7d-mark-ii-today-sports-and-wildlife-photographers-hold-on-to-your-hats-ya-know-if-we-actually-wore-hats/
    Enjoy!
     

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