donald_ingram1 Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 I like the results film produces ( NPH/Tri-X/Acros/TMZ ) i.e. the tone, sharpness and accutence of a good optical print. 4000dpi Digital scans and prints, on a Epson 2200, just don't look as good, and seem to take me much longer to print, at bigger than web quality, compared to going into the darkroom. I've used this viewpoint to maintain a belief in the superiority of film.The lack of a compact sized SLR with fast prime lenses, good VF, good build, film equivalence etc. has kept me from fully embracing the digital world. Maybe the M8 will be it, but I'm still waiting to see the evidence, before deciding if it really adds any value for me ( given that a couple of round the World trips can be had for it's, or a new DSLR system's, price ). So, I was just wondering: How many here have also never bought a DSLR ? Is the M8 it for you ? What advantage, other than convenience, finally made the investment worthwhile ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m. Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 The M8 is making me think that maybe the Canon 5D isn't so expensive after all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_camp Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Look up the brand new Pentax K10D with the pancake primes...body is $900... JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey_edelstein1 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 I saw the 5D next to the D200 and it looked smaller than the Nikon. I was suprised that the finder was so large and bright. For the money its a real value since its a FF dslr about 13mp made from magnesium and has great high iso ability. Canon makes their own sensors which helps them trim costs and shorten new product cycles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donald_ingram1 Posted October 1, 2006 Author Share Posted October 1, 2006 The 5D seems to have best VF and a range of fast lenses, however to the M8 works out cheaper once a couple of Canon lenses is considered. The Pentax 10D and the 21/31/43 special edition lenses does look like the best value with nice lenses. This would probably me my choice if I wanted to try out the DSLR world. Currently, I use a pair of old M6s and 21/35/50. Anyone ordered a M8 who has never bought a DSLR ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbon_dragon Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 I'll compare my Minolta 600si with my Konica Minolta 5D. Both use the same lenses. The 600si is a great film camera, and it's controls are really a masterpiece of simplicity. The 5D tries to maintain that but fails with multitudes of nested menus. I find that without using the camera continuously I need to consult the manual just to remember how to delete the images on the card. The lens that came with the 5D isn't one of Minolta's best, but it's more that adequate to produce very good images. The pictures aren't as good as a good film, but it's pretty close, especially with 8x10's or lower. The image quality is quite good, and the image stabilization seems to really work (and it works with all lenses because it's in the camera). The biggest downfall (aside from the complexity) is the high magnification sensor, which transforms all the lenses to about 1.3x the focal length. And finding a Minolta 35 fixed lens is a little difficult these days. So my thoughts are -- I hate the 1.3x magnification, and I don't like the spike in complexity in using the camera, I think it gets in the way of thinking about the picture. I like the immediacy of knowing that you have the shot, and the image stabilization. The M8 has the same 1.3x mag which might be a dealkiller right there. I don't know about the complexity yet. I like the fact that Leica is trying to move with the times, but I'm not happy about their decision not to go with a full frame sensor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly_flanigan1 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 Re <I>I'm not happy about their decision not to go with a full frame sensor.</i><BR><BR>Their decision was a rational one. A full frame sensor verision would have just 3000 bucks more, come later, and would be made in a radically less production run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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