markdeneen Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 <p>Arrived in the morning mail. A nice new one still in the box and with warranty. This is my first Bessa, so I did not know what to expect really. I've been using a nice Voightlander Ultron f/1.9 28mm with my old Canon 7S. I decided it would be great to try a new camera and be able to compare.</p> <p>I loaded up some BW400 so I could get it processed locally, and took the new Bessa for a spin. Well, it's a real luxury to have a TTL meter system, so I put my Gossen meter away and just used the built in. The Bessa is a good bit lighter and smaller than my Canon. Although it is made nicely, it is in some spots a bit flimsy compared to the older Canon Tank. But the moment I raised the viewfinder to my eye all that went away! The Bessa is the brightest VF I have ever owned and the focus is like magic. I don't have great eyesight and the Canon has been a challenge for me to focus quickly. WOW - this is literally a night and day improvement in brightness and clarity. I can focus this camera in an instant with no strain.</p> <p>The metering is nice to have but has one quality I don't like. Once you half-press the shutter to get a reading, the meter LED lingers for some 3 or 4 seconds after releasing the shutter. I found that a bit annoying. In shutter priority, it is easy to look through the VF and rotate the aperture ring on the lens to get the "go" signal. But in aperture priority, it is not easy to rotate the shutter dial if you have fingers larger than a child. Might take some practice.</p> <p>The shutter has a wonderful positive, fast, nifty feel to it. It is not as quiet as some I hear about, but doesn't have any grindy metallic noise. It is a slick, tight "snick" which feels and sounds smooth and pleasing.The frame line selector is easy to use and the framelines are wonderfully bright and clear and good with my eyeglasses.</p> <p>The size of this camera falls between my little QL17 and my Canon 7S, which means it is a GREAT size. Very comfortable to hold and shoot. It is similar in weight to my Yashica GSN. I think I am really going to enjoy this camera. I have three lenses for Leica threadmount platform, a 28mm f/1.9 Ultron, a 50mm f/1.8 Canon and a f/3.5 135mm Canon. I am considering a Voightlander 90mm F/3.5, or a classic Elmarit f/2 90mm if I could find one at a nice price. That would pretty much complete my thread mount rangefinder kit. Assuming the Bessa continues to impress me, I will probably sell the Canon 7Sz to pay for a new lens. Or..maybe not.</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mukul_dube Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 <p>The 90mm Elmarit is f/2.8 max. Maybe you mean the Summicron 90mm f/2? I had a CV Apo Lanthar 90mm f/3.5 for some while. A good, small lens, quite sharp. My view is that 85/90/100/105 lenses are better on a RFDR camera than 135mm ones.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdeneen Posted October 9, 2010 Author Share Posted October 9, 2010 <p>Mukul - Yes, my error - - f/2 Summicron. Thanks. (Just learning my thread mount lenses - sorry).<br> I am looking for a great portrait lens. The 135 feels too long.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou_Meluso Posted October 9, 2010 Share Posted October 9, 2010 <p>Thanks for the hands on user report, Mark. May you have many years of enjoyment with it.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mukul_dube Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 <p>Mark, maybe the Summicron 90 is not a good idea. At full open aperture and near range, there's only thin depth of field: and the range-finder of the R may not be up to the task. I have a Canon Serenar 85/2, and focussing it wide open even on an M3 is a chancy business. The effective base length of the Bessa's R/F is rather less than than of the M3.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdeneen Posted October 10, 2010 Author Share Posted October 10, 2010 <p>Makul--I am not sure I understand the relationship of the EBL to the aperture and focus? Can you say a few more words about that? Would that be the case at ANY focal length?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mukul_dube Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 <p>Mark, as depth of field decreases, focussing needs to be more accurate. Greater base length makes for greater accuracy. Depth of field decreases with object distance, as focal length increases and as aperture gets wider.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcole Posted October 10, 2010 Share Posted October 10, 2010 <p>The Summicron 90 is a deceptively heavy lens, even on a Leica body. I'd think on a Bessa it would be very poorly balanced.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aplumpton Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 <p>The 90mm Tele Elmarit is a really nice compact lens and not very expensive. So is the Rokkor 90 f4 made (by Leitz) for the Minolta CLE. Both are at least 1980ish lenses. The modern Voigt 90 f3.5 is also a good idea. All are relatively inexpensive even in mint or new (VC) condition, and probably more appropriate for the RF baseline and magnification of your Bessa. f2 is a difficult one to focus with the size of the Bessa's effective RF baseline. You might find a used modern 90 mm Elmarit-M f2.8 at a reasonable price, but probably higher than the aforementioned.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mukul_dube Posted October 11, 2010 Share Posted October 11, 2010 <p>Arthur, the Bessa R has a 39mm screw mount. This, incidentally, enables it to accept 1950s lenses like the 85mm Canons and Nikkors.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdeneen Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 <p>Ok, I am beginning to see the light here. Another rec was the Voight 75 f/2.8. It looks like I snookered myself a bit with this short baseline on the Bessa R. Otherwise, I am really like it. Yes, it is a screw mount. I have a Voight Ultron 28mm, a Canon 50mm, and a Canon 135mmm for it.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mukul_dube Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 <p>Mark, you are far from sunk. The Bessa R may well be the most attractive camera of its kind in its price bracket. You get a built-in exposure meter and a bright view-finder with parallax corrected frame lines. These are not to be sneezed at. So far as the base length of the range-finder is concerned, greater is indeed better: <em>but short is not altogether bad</em>. It's a relative thing. I know people, including myself, who take sharp pictures at short distances with 85/90 lenses at f/2.8 on screw mount Leicas. If your R/F is correctly adjusted and if your vision is right for the finder, you should do well enough. The CV 75/2.5 lens is one you should consider. It is long enough to be a portrait lens, or almost one, and it can also be used in place of a 50mm normal. I have seen results from this lens on Flickr and elsewhere, and they are reassuring.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdeneen Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 <p>Thanks Mukul-<br> That sounds like the ticket. I will look for one.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mukul_dube Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 <p>Mark, I don't think the Bessa R has frame lines for 135mm. You'll need an accessory finder if you wish to use that focal length.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdeneen Posted October 13, 2010 Author Share Posted October 13, 2010 <p>My little Canon 135mm came with an original accessory finder! And the original leather case.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frederick_muller Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 <p>I use Bessa R series extensively. There is a reason they don't have 135mm framelines. The baseline of the Bessa R series, approx 25mm effective, is not long enough to accurately focus even a 135mm f4. Go with the 75mm f2.5 and be happy.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdeneen Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 <p>Last night I used my Canon 135mm with the Bessa. I have the 135 VF, and I used the lens at f/8 for this shot. I am looking for the Voightlander 75 though. I hope to snag one in the next few days. Spendy, they are!</p> <div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markdeneen Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 <p>And this one also with the 135mm. Aside from this issue, I really love the little Bessa. It handles nice, feels good, and it has the best and brightest VF (in my limited experience).</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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