marcello dasilva Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>Long story short,my last camera was a F100 back in film days,have not had a camera in over 10 years,but now I want to get back to photography,mainly family,kids,little landscape,street photography,also interested in bokeh,no studio.<br /> I'm between the D610 and D7200 with the following lens:</p><p><a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/520637-USA/Nikon_2164_AF_S_Nikkor_24_70mm_f_2_8G.html" data-selenium="smallImgLink"><img src="http://static.bhphoto.com/images/images150x150/520637.jpg" alt="Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED Lens" border="0" data-selenium="smallImgItemLink" /></a> <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/520637-USA/Nikon_2164_AF_S_Nikkor_24_70mm_f_2_8G.html" data-selenium="itemName">Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED Lens</a></p><p><a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/892849-REG/Tamron_20_200mm_F_2_8_DI_VC.html" data-selenium="smallImgLink"><img src="http://static.bhphoto.com/images/images150x150/892849.jpg" alt="Tamron SP 70-200mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Zoom Lens for Nikon" border="0" data-selenium="smallImgItemLink" /></a> <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/892849-REG/Tamron_20_200mm_F_2_8_DI_VC.html" data-selenium="itemName">Tamron SP 70-200mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Zoom Lens for Nikon</a><br /> <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/838798-REG/Nikon_2201_AF_S_NIKKOR_85mm_f_1_8G.html" data-selenium="smallImgLink"><img src="http://static.bhphoto.com/images/images150x150/838798.jpg" alt="Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 85mm f/1.8G Lens" border="0" data-selenium="smallImgItemLink" /></a> <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/838798-REG/Nikon_2201_AF_S_NIKKOR_85mm_f_1_8G.html" data-selenium="itemName">Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 85mm f/1.8G Lens</a><br /> <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/766516-USA/Nikon_2199_AF_S_Nikkor_50mm_f_1_8G.html" data-selenium="smallImgLink"><img src="http://static.bhphoto.com/images/images150x150/766516.jpg" alt="Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8G Lens" border="0" data-selenium="smallImgItemLink" /></a> <a href="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/766516-USA/Nikon_2199_AF_S_Nikkor_50mm_f_1_8G.html" data-selenium="itemName">Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8G Lens</a></p><p>Yeah seems easy but I can't decide.</p><p>Thanks in advance.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q.g._de_bakker Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 FX.<br>But what is it that keeps you from deciding? What attracts you in 'the other choice' that keeps you from deciding for 'the easy choice'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello dasilva Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>Not sure,but what would be the "easy choice" ?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Currie Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>None of the lenses shown will go very wide in DX format. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello dasilva Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>Yeah I know,I had those in the cart with the D610.I keep going back and forth with those 2 cameras.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andylynn Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>A D610 is only $1500 now. Not bad. Really, if it's over a $300 difference between the cost of that or a D7200, and you're set on that selection of lenses, go with FX.</p> <p>I used to have an F100. I miss it. To me, it was the perfect modern SLR. A perfect fit in my hand and solidly made. Now I have a D750, and of the DSLRs I've used it feels the best, but even so it's not quite as good as the F100.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q.g._de_bakker Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Marcello, you said the choice seemed easy. What did you have in mind then? And what is it that makes it difficult anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_k. Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>D610.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello dasilva Posted April 28, 2015 Author Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>I'm leaning towards the FX,because the bokeh is superior on a FX body.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis_vener_photography Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 D750. Far better autofocus system for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two23 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>The easy choice is a D7100, sell 24-70mm and get a 17-55mm, and then with all the money saved get a specialty lens liek 58mm 14 for "bokeh" (whatever that is.) The problem with digital cameras is they lose value so very fast. Doesn't make a lot of sense to buy a new one any more. I was using D7100 for everything and now a D800E, and honestly I don't see much of a difference at all for general shooting.</p> <p>I will add that I'm now looking for a camera again, and have settled on adding another Nikon--an F3/T!</p> <p>Kent in SD</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panayotis_papadopoulos Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>Nikon D7200 is a very fine camera, but seeing your lenses I would go for D610 to get the most out of it. Cheers!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User_5050610 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>Kent--good for you! Back into the "fold!" <br> Paul<br> PS--The F3/T is pretty much FX, yes? :-)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Williams Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>To me that set of lenses makes much more sense on FX. Incidentally, a secondhand D800 isn't much more expensive than a D610 if you shop around, and is closer to the feel of the F100.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lornesunley Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>Get one of the FX cameras, trying to work with the "crop factor" is just too annoying</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombest Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>FYI, B&H still has the D610 at it's discount price but are including the Nikon MB-D14 battery grip at that price. If the idea of a grip added to your camera appeals to you, it's a swinging deal right now. I just bought a D7200 and it is an amazing camera but if I had your selection of lenses and wasn't interested in sports or wildlife photography, I'd jump on the D610. The D750 has better features, especially the auto focus module, but you may not necessarily need the differences it offers. That's for you to decide. But you have a nice selection of FX lenses and I would buy a camera that takes full advantage of them... based on your indicated photography interests.<br> Tom</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric_arnold Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>guys, i dont think the OP has any of those lenses yet. so we're looking a considerable cash outlay with an FX camera.</p> <p>is $$ a concern? if so, it's possible to save quite a bit with essentially the same optical performance--minus the bokeh-- with DX. for instance, the 24-70 is currently about $1900 new; a sigma 17-50/2.8 is $500. that's almost a 75% premium, and you don't get stabilization. now if money is no object, then maybe that doesn't matter, but i think the choice comes down to what you shoot--for certain applications, such as wildlife, the 1.5x crop is in your favor. and you do get better AF with d7200 than with d610, which will matter more if you shoot things that move.</p> <p>if you don't shoot things that move, i would advise against getting a 24-70/2.8; it's big, and heavy, and the bokeh is average at best, also the range is a bit short. you'd probably be better off with a 24-120/4 for casual (non-event) shooting, with dedicated primes (or the 70-200) for bokeh. the tamron 28-75/2.8 is also a very good, inexpensive FX lens for what it costs; the bokeh is at least as good as the nikon, although the nikon is a weency bit sharper wide open, goes 4mm wider, and has faster AF.</p> <p>if you do get an FX body, i would <strong>strongly</strong> recommend the sigma 35/1.4 which is optically superior to the 24-70 (i have both, and the sigma is just crisper and sharper at f/2 than the nikon is at 2.8). $1500 for a FX body is approaching affordable, and if this is your first DSLR, then FX could make some sense as a format, if you're coming from the Analog Age.</p> <p>as i think about it, i guess im leaning toward FX in my recommendations here, just because i dont think Nikon's DX lens lineup is that strong, especially when you compare it to, say, Fuji (who have a full set of primes, including a 24/1.4 equivalent, as well as 2.8 zooms now). if you're willing to consider 3rd party offerings, then the sigma 18-35/1.8 gives you back the bokeh you lose from APS-C, with sharper performance than a longer zoom. but that's a tricky bit of hodgepodge to cobble together a winning DX lens lineup for Nikon nowadays.</p> <p>OTOH, i agree with all of the OP's lens choices for FX, with the exception of the 24-70 for reasons mentioned above. if budget isnt a primary concern, which it usually is, otherwise you'd be considering a d750/d810, in addition to the 35/1.4--which is simply a must-have lens for FX users who care about optical quality--i would also consider getting the new Sigma 50/1.4 ART for use on an FX body, instead of spending wasted money on an overpriced sports/action zoom (unless you are shooting paid events, in which case you want the 24-70). i would also want to have a wide angle option, that is, wider than 24mm, but YMMV. one good thing about FX is if you are scouring the used market, you can usually find some good deals if you are trying to be thrifty.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_r._fulton_jr. Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>610 + 50mm would be best starter set. Especially since you're coming from an F100. Cartier-Bresson seemed to get along without a zoom lens so you should, too. :-) </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric_arnold Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>so, to summarize, an FX lineup for casual/landscape/family/travel/street might look like this:</p> <ul> <li>24-120/VR</li> <li>70-200</li> <li>35/1.4 ART</li> <li>50/1.4 ART</li> <li>85/1.8 G</li> </ul> <p>optional wide angle: *18-35 or 14/2.8 Samyang (assuming MF would be ok for landscape): if you never use filters, i'd consider tokina 16-28 or nikon 14-24.<br> **depending on how much you prioritize street, you might want to switch out the 24-120 for a 28-75. shorter, but also smaller.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ant_nio_gomes Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>Looking at the set of lenses you're considering and your list of interests it makes sense to go for the FX camera, and if the price difference is no problem D750 instead of D610 would give you some advantages that can justify it.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Two23 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>I have the Nikon 70-200mm f2.8 and certainly don't consider it a "family outing" or travel lens. It's more of a specialty lens, I think. I mostly use it for weddings and events. I haven't taken it on any of our family travels for a number of years now. If I wasn't still shooting a few weddings I would quickly sell it. For travel where I'm likely to see wildlife, the Nikon 80-400mm AFS is much more versatile and useful. </p> <p>Kent in SD</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <p>You just need to make the existential choice and live with it. This is an occasion on which pure "action" will trump "Enlightenment reason". Go with your gut or ask the <a href="https://eightball.tridelphia.net/">magic eight-ball</a>. However, when I asked for you, it replied "Better not tell you now" - so there you go. :)</p> <p>As for "bokeh is better" on one or the other format?<br> I don't see it; sounds like one of those things "everybody knows" like flying saucers are alien spacecraft, clouds are really sylphs, etc. In any case, it is not something so overwhelming that it should be a major concern in deciding on one format or another, IMHO.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andylynn Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 <blockquote> <p>so, to summarize, an FX lineup for casual/landscape/family/travel/street might look like this:</p> <ul> <li>24-120/VR</li> <li>70-200</li> <li>35/1.4 ART</li> <li>50/1.4 ART</li> <li>85/1.8 G</li> </ul> <p>optional wide angle: *18-35 or 14/2.8 Samyang (assuming MF would be ok for landscape): if you never use filters, i'd consider tokina 16-28 or nikon 14-24.<br /> **depending on how much you prioritize street, you might want to switch out the 24-120 for a 28-75. shorter, but also smaller.</p> </blockquote> <p>I know I'm digressing now, but this set of lenses and Marcello's list of lenses don't say "amateur, thinking about getting back into the hobby" to me. Unless money doesn't matter, in which case, go for it and get the D750 instead of the D610 while you're at it. </p> <p>Marcello, how much do you want to put into this right now?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcello dasilva Posted April 29, 2015 Author Share Posted April 29, 2015 Around $6500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShunCheung Posted April 29, 2015 Share Posted April 29, 2015 <blockquote> <p>Around $6500.</p> </blockquote> <p>That is quite a high budget. I would start with a D750 and maybe get the D750 + 24-120mm/f4 AF-S VR kit, and maybe add another lens such as a 70-200mm/f4 AF-S VR. Unless you need to shoot indoors a lot, I prefer the lighter f4 zooms. Use maybe two lenses first and add more lenses as you see fit.</p> <p>At least I don't see any need to spend all $6500 at once.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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