Missing your DSLR yet?

Discussion in 'Mirrorless Digital Cameras' started by sanford, Aug 12, 2015.

  1. I'm committed to mirrorless but...I never got this many mis-focused with my Nikon D300, which I still have, and the D50 was even better! I have an XE1 and some old Panasonics but I understand the newer Olympus models rival DSLRs.
     
  2. Nikon DSLRs default to focus priority in single servo mode. The shutter won't release until focus is locked in. Mirrorless
    cameras, eg. Sony A7Rii, have other options, including "smart" priority. Check your settings.
     
  3. XE1 is not the fastest-focusing camera. but it can be fun -- unless you are trying to do any kind of subject tracking.
     
  4. Don't miss my (Nikon) dslr's; love my Sony mirrorless (NEX-6 previously a6000 now). cb :)
     
  5. I don't miss the DSLRs because I kept them. They so far have shown no hostility towards the NEX bodies (the still camera or its big video cousin). And so far, every time I go to shoot something where low light focus is an issue ... it's still the Nikon DSLR that does the work. But the diminutive NEX7 gets the drone time in the air, Sony's FS700 steps up for the serious video work. With a Metabones adapter, I can happily pass lenses around the whole disjointed family.
     
  6. No. :) At the time they were the only game in town, and I spent serious money on them. When mirrorless cameras started to emerge, I saw what many other people saw: a genuine, pure, digital camera. Not a film camera with a sensor. And the amount of lenses you could adapt was huge.
    In retrospect, I should have been shooting film all that time. But that perhaps is a story for another day!
     
  7. Nope. I'm finding myself using the rear screen
    more often with lightweight mirrorless cameras
    for candid snaps, even when the camera has an eye
    level finder. Often I shoot one handed. Those
    techniques don't work quite as well with most
    dSLRs.

    But if I photographed sports, wildlife or needed
    specialty lenses, sure, I'd use a dSLR.

    Regarding autofocus, dSLRs still have an edge,
    especially with shallow DOF when you must be
    certain where the focus is. But with candid snaps
    I'm usually stopped down. And the Nikon V1 has
    excellent AF in most conditions, and the smallish
    sensor and DOF compensate for minor focus error.
    I'm using the Fuji mostly at a slower pace where
    I don't often misfocus.
     
  8. I'm using the Fuji mostly at a slower pace where I don't often misfocus.​
    this is really where the xE1 excels. it's not really a camera you can push to do things it's not good at but it's very good at what it does do well. great to have a small body or two for travel. i'd consider getting an A6000 just for the autofocus, but the lens selection is kinda meh.
     
  9. I use them both, depending on what I'm doing, but really my Fujis get more use than my FX Nikon. They're just so good,
    and so convenient to carry around. I picked up an X-T1 and 18-135 kit when when it was on sale for $1500. It's weather
    sealed and shoots at 8 fps. I don't even know what it would cost to get that in a current model Nikon. It can go small with a prime lens, it has that crazy silent electronic 1/32000s shutter and the 35mm and 56mm lenses are German-rangefinder-lenses-good.
     
  10. We Fuji fans are starting to sound a lot like Leica fans. BTW, when using a Fuji lens without OIS (18mm, 27mm, etc) does the camera shake icon stay on all the time. This is the white hand with the line trough it.
     
  11. I think Fuji fans sound more like pickup truck
    fans. Unpretentious, but amusingly devoted to
    their brand, whether Ford, Dodge Ram, Chevy, etc.

    I mostly like the Fuji image quality straight
    from the camera. And the excellent in camera raw
    converter. I'm still hoping for an improved X Pro
    before getting too invested.
     
  12. Still have my DSLRs but barely use them. I always used shutter priority on my Nikons, same on the GX7, don't really notice much difference to tell the truth.
     
  13. Lex, that would explain the condescending looks I've been getting from Leica M shooters this week.
     
  14. I still have a Nikon DSLR, but only for the 300mm, waiting for the market to provide a valid E-mount alternative.
    Sure, my rate of misfocused photos raised a bit (we're talking of a minimal percentage though). The NEX-6 has a serious limitation, that you can't decouple AF from the trigger release - you have to keep the trigger half-pressed, a thing that I find uncomfortable. The A6000, instead, can decouple AF from the trigger release, and I have less misfocused shots. In this case, one has to get into acquaintance with a different system, with different options. For instance, one can select the area of the single focusing sensor, having it much smaller than I was used to with my Nikon DSLR. It's quite useful e.g. for precision focusing with a very shallow DoF (e.g. parts of a flower). In other circumstances, enlarging the area is better. Also, the different focusing system has different corner cases than phase detection, and one must learn them. Now that I know when the AF could fail, I double check in manual mode. The capability of having a live 1:1 preview for focusing, a thing that couldn't happen with the OVF (I even tried with eyepiece magnifiers, but they are cumbersome to use), makes it easier to deal with these cases.
    I'm only talking of static subjects for now. Typical moving subjects are wildlife and birds, and usually they need the longer focal, so the 300mm and the Nikon DSLR.
     
  15. I've been using the Fuji X100 since they first appeared and most of the writing has rubbed off the back! But it has been a fine camera. I traded my M8 for an XPro1 when they appeared and though I've enjoyed using it, especially with the 18-55 lens, I've had focus misses with the 35mm lens. But I've only had these problems with OVF not EVF. Strangely, I don't find it that easy to hold compared with my DSLRs and I get irritated that the exposure comp knob seems to turn itself every time I out it in my bag! I've used both Fujis a lot when travelling but more recently I've been using a Canon 70D which is not heavy and offers a much more versatile choice of lenses.
     
  16. I miss the better/faster AF and deeper buffer/faster writing of the DSLR. I don't miss the mirror flopping, carrying a heavy bag and constantly changing lenses, concerns over dirt on the sensor, lousy live view and noisy focus sounds during video.
     
  17. I have a DSLR and I'm not constantly changing lenses - they don't go together necessarily. Not sure why dirty sensors have any connection with DSLRs either (?)
     
  18. I bought into the Fuji with the XT1 and the kit lens 18-135 but still have my D7000, I thought about selling the Nikon stuff but I will hang on to it, after all it was my first camera. I love the Fuji and can't wait to invest into the system.
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  20. I don't shoot sports, and do NOT miss my Nikon DSLRs that I divested myself of just about a year ago.
    I shoot an EM-5 and it focuses very much as well as my D90 did for most things, better for some others, worse for sports, which again, I don't shoot.
     
  21. I still use my D300 for 60% of my photography. I treat my XE-1 and 18-55 kit lens as a point and shoot. Just can't get comfortable with EVF. If I could, I'd use the Fuji more.
     
  22. My DSLR hasn't let the house in about 4 years, so I guess I don't miss it very much. I miss the image quality of the 70-200f4L IS, but my deteriorating vertebrae do not miss it's weight at all. In single shot mode, my E-M5 AF is very fast and accurate, and rarely misses. Can't believe you can pick one up new for under $500 now.
     
  23. I don't doubt that some mirrorless cameras can
    autofocus as quickly and accurately as some dSLRs. But I wonder
    how much of that perception of sharpness is due
    to the smaller sensors of the 1-inch and Micro
    4:3 cameras.

    I rarely miss focus badly with the Nikon V1, but
    the kit zoom is a 10-30mm and behaves like one,
    regardless of the 2.7x factor. The formats
    smaller than APS may be inherently forgiving, in terms of our perceptions of adequate sharpness.

    And those smaller sensors may benefit from AF
    technology that isn't quite matched - yet - by
    larger sensors.
     
  24. It takes precision to accurately focus an M43 45mm f1.8 lens, and after using 2 Canon film SLRs (including an EOS 3), 2 Canon DSLRS, and 2 mirrorless cameras I have a reasonably good sense of what fast AF is like. An M43 sensor at 225 sq MM is not all that small, especially compared with Canon Crop sensors at just 330 sq MM.
     
  25. No, still have all my Canon gear. I keep it at work and use it during my lunchtime walks. I still like the gear but about 45 minutes or so is all i care to carry it anymore. I've been wondering lately if it's worth keeping. For my needs, my Sony gear is a much better choice.
     
  26. I think the reason a lot of us are hanging on to our old DSLRs is because they just aren't worth anything as a trade-in.
     
  27. I still have my DSLR, and its hours of glory will come once hockey season starts at my college. For everything else I love my E-M1, its smaller weight, but especially all the extra information that is immediately available to me in the EVF. My Nikon provides many of these (histograms, image development during long exposures etc.) either after the fact, only on the rear display, or not at all.
     
  28. BTW, when using a Fuji lens without OIS (18mm, 27mm, etc) does the camera shake icon stay on all the time.​
    that icon doest appear with a non-OIS lens, but you may be able to turn it off with the 'disp back' button.
     
  29. I use both D800-based and OMD EM5-based systems. I've just been away for 4 days, taking the kit in a backpack over mountains and rough terrain. And I'm old! I took the D800, and three very light (relatively!) primes. Why? For the landscapes I was doing, a tripod would not be needed, and I wanted the quality of the D800 files with that amazing DR and ability to pull up shadow detail. On other trips, where I've known I needed a tripod somewhere remote, I've taken the OMD and 4 primes, just because of the weight. The Olympus files are good - but those from the D800 are better. (And if I was starting again yes, I'd look very seriously at Fuji!).
     
  30. . . . our perceptions of adequate sharpness.​
    At the end of the day isn't that what's important? And even the physics of "sharpness", i.e. circles of confusion, etc. ultimately only provide a perception of adequate sharpness. As George Harrison said "its all in the mind" :)
     
  31. Sold off the last of my Nikon kit (including a D300) two days ago and don't plan on looking back.
    I really haven't had any major focusing issues with my Fuji X-E1 (or X-30 for that matter). I generally shoot using the smallest setting possible on the AF grid.
     
  32. I don't miss them because I never had one. I also never missed AF film SLRs. By the time Nikon got the autofocus working pretty well, the bodies were already bigger than I liked.
     
  33. I still have my D3, which excels at autofocus, long battery life and instant on or wake up. But for total usability, I prefer my
    Sony A7ii and now A7Rii. So far I'm mostly manual focus, at which the A7 excels. With in-body image stabilization (IBIS)
    and ISO usable to 25,600, I can get consistently sharp results without a tripod. Carrying a Sony kit which weighs half that
    of a comparable Nikon kit is a cherished benefit. The Nikon is there should I need it, but I haven't needed it since my A7ii
    arrived early in December 2014.
     
  34. I bought a Sony A7 to replace a film Leica. My digital SLR stays. Each is better (for me) for different kinds of work.
     
  35. The XE1 can be a little slower to focus than the XT1 for example. I've found the latter to be plenty fast enough for what i do. And when the Mirrorless focus locks on it stays locked on. I have had less misfocusing issues with my Fujis than my Nikons. And the lowlight af? Did a shoot last year in poor light and my XT1 locked on first time 90+%. My friend's 6D struggled...we were both surprised. Still keep A Nikon though because of my lenses for it. But 9 times out of 10 I take a Fuji with me.
     
  36. I never has a DSLR to miss, but still have 4 SLR film cameras which I use.
    I really liked the look of the Nex 6 and have had one about 2 and a half years; a year ago I got a used Nex 7 as well. Both wonderful cameras which will always leave me trailing in the wake of their abilities. So, what with them and my old Nikkor lenses and adapter for the Sony cameras I figure I'm about set fair to try to take some reasonable photos. I'm hoping Sony will offer an app for Auto ISO when in Manual for these two which I think could be useful, but I'm not going to hold my breath. The A series have taken over and these Nex beauties will soon be forgotten.
     
  37. Still using the DSLR for photos of small products, wildlife, and projects requiring stacking via Helicon Focus
     
  38. I don't post much here so at the risk of getting flamed I feel compelled to add something. I am a Nikon shooter and have been since F3 days. I have lots of lenses which keep me loyal even though I often chafe at many of Nikon's idiotic policies. I had a D800 and I really liked that camera but it killed my neck and back after a couple of hours. I also have had Nikon DX cameras for the reach aspect. Really like the D7200. Along the way I have bought Panasonic 4/3s stuff some of which is pretty good and tried a Sony Nex 6. The menus, which you were dipping into constantly drove me nuts. I sold it. Then came the a6000, finally a capable easy to use very good camera with the right lenses. I still have that camera and it is my walk around camera down in southern Utah.
    Now to the dumb stuff. I felt an overwhelming curiosity about the Sony full frame stuff. I picked up a used
    A7R, thinking a return to 36mp might be good. I was wrong. In my estimation this is a camera which should never have been released. Shutter shock is a real issue. The Sony menu choices do not really deal with the capabilities of the camera in enough detail but who likes menus? Focusing with non Sony lenses is a chore but can be accurate although you better be using a tripod.
    After two weeks of frustration I sold that camera at a loss and felt good to be rid of it. I'll stick with the D750 and the D7200 for any kind of serious photos.
     
  39. As with a number of others I don't miss my SLR because I still use both.
    I do find it very annoying when Mirrorless evangelists try and say that the SLR is dead and that mirrorless cameras will take over the world. The same thing was said about film and digital, cars and horses, or records and Cds.
    The mass market will move but some people will always prefer the other way of doing things and in some areas the older ways are better.
    Some people just don't get on with electronic viewfinders whilst some people love them.
     

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