MTC Photography Posted April 9, 2000 Share Posted April 9, 2000 <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="Author" CONTENT="Ying Tai"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="Mozilla/4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; U) [Netscape]"> <TITLE>shutter</TITLE></HEAD><BODY> <BR> <CENTER><TABLE BORDER=10 COLS=1 WIDTH="92%" BGCOLOR="#FFCC33" ><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=+2>Analysis of Minox Shutter and the Quest of Longevityof Minox Camera</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE></CENTER> <H3>How Minox Electromagnet Shutter Works</H3> Minox 35mm cameras and several Minox 8x11mm cameras(C/LX/TLX/ECetc.) have electromagnetic mechaniccombo shutter. The mechanical parts control the open/closeof the shutter leaves, the electromagnet and its associatedelectronics circuit controls the timing of shutter. <P> The details of each shutter is different, butbasically they follow the model described below <P> The heart of Minox shutter is an electromagnet; it's current flow is control by electronic timing circuitinside the camera ( On top of Minox 35mm camera, just below thetop cover ). The output of the timing circuitdepends on output of exposure meter. For exampleif the film setting, aperture setting and external light<BR>condition calls for 2 second shutter, the the electronictiming circuit will drive a current through the<BR>electromagnet for 2 seconds, then cut off current.<BR> <OL><LI> When you wind the film winder, it tensionup the open/shut main springs, and push a lever towards the electromagnet( which has no current flow yet ). The lever holds a small iron strikeplate. When you tensioned the shutter , you hear a 'click' that is the sound of strike plate pushed againstthe electromagnet. A mechanical latch holds thelever prevent it from pulling back by the spring attached to the lever.</LI></OL> <BR> <BR> <CENTER><TABLE BORDER=3 CELLSPACING=3 CELLPADDING=3 COLS=1 WIDTH="35" HEIGHT="100" BGCOLOR="#FF9900" ><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TABLE></CENTER> <HR SIZE=9 WIDTH="5%"><BR> <CENTER> electromagnet and iron strike plate</CENTER> <BR> <BR> <BR> <OL><LI> You press the shutter release thecurrent flow to the electromagnet is turned on, the magnetic forceholds the shutter-close lever tight</LI></OL> <OL><LI>The electronic timing circuit start counting and the mechanismopen the shutter</LI></OL> <BR> <CENTER><TABLE BORDER COLS=1 WIDTH="33" HEIGHT="100" BGCOLOR="#FF0000" ><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TABLE></CENTER> <HR SIZE=5 WIDTH="6%"><BR> <P><HR SIZE=5 WIDTH="6%"><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <OL><LI>Electronic timing circuit times up, cut off current to magnet</LI> <LI>"Shutter close" lever springs back, close the shutter.</LI></OL> <CENTER><TABLE BORDER COLS=1 WIDTH="34" HEIGHT="100" BGCOLOR="#999999" ><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER> </TD></TR></TABLE></CENTER> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <P><HR SIZE=5 WIDTH="6%"><BR><HR SIZE=5 WIDTH="6%"><BR> <H3> Causes of Shutter malfunction</H3> <UL><LI> No Battery or Battery Weak</LI></UL> <UL> Minox camera always 'clicks' even withoutbattery. The clicks are the sound of the mechanical catch<BR>latching on or off. If there is no battery, then thereis no force to hold the 'shutter close' lever back<BR>the moment you press the shutter release, the 'open' and 'shut'lever spring back at top speed<BR>under the tension of the springs. In Minox 110S, which has alighter shutter blades, you may see the<BR>shutter actually open up for probably 1/1000 sec; but inMinox 35mm camera, which has bigger<BR>and heavier shutter blades, the shutter has no time to open andclose that fast, and remain closed.<BR> <LI> Electromagnet failure due to heat</LI> <P>The shutter control electromagnet in Minox camera consistsof a metal core and a solenoid. The solenoid<BR>is wound with thousands turns of very fine gauge lacquer wire. The thinner the wire the higher the<BR>resistance. The wire in Minox 110s is thicker than thosein Minox 35 and 8x11. 2.7 v is adequate<BR>for 110S, but Minox 35 and 8x11 must use higher voltagebattery (5.6v) to drive sufficient current<BR>through the electromagnet.<BR> When current flows through the electromagnet, heat generatedis proportion to the time. <P> One sec shutter = the load of 6000 1/100 shutter<BR> One minute shutter= the load of 360,000 1/100 sec shutter <P> Since the solenoid bobbin has about 20 to 30layers, it is hard for the heat generated by overly long<BR>exposure to dissipate, the temperature of the solenoid will inevitablyrise and shorten the life of the<BR>solenoid. Rising heat may also reduce the permeability of thecore, render the electromagnet less<BR>effective. These two effects will eventually burn out the solenoid.Hence overuse of long exposure<BR>reduces the life of solenoid.<BR> </UL> Failure of Electromagnet due to Dust <P> The second cause of shuttermagnet failure is dust. <P> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000"><FONT SIZE=+1>Airgap pull force of electromagnet is inversely proportion tothe square of air gap width.</FONT></FONT> <P> I test the Minox 110s electromagnetby insert a piece of 5 mil paper between the magnet and the strike plate.<BR>-- the shutter failed.<BR> This indicates any foreign substancesuch as dust, lint etc. accumulated between the air gap willrender<BR>a Minox shutter inoperative <P> When the electromagnet failed due to burnt out ordust clogging, the effect is the same as<BR>no battery -----when you wind up the shutter and press the shutterrelease, you can hear click click<BR>but the shutter is stuck.<BR> <H3> How to Prevent shutter failure</H3> Base upon the afore analysis, the key to longevityof Minox 35/8x11 shutter<BR> <UL><LI> Use long exposure sparingly. Particular in Minox 35 cameras which allows for exposure as long as half an</LI></UL>hour, the load on solenoid is huge, do it at your own risk.<UL><LI> Don't put Minox 35 camera in pocket. As macrolon material which makes up the body of Minox 35 camera</LI></UL>generates static electricity when rubbed with fabric, particular nylon or wool, and thus attracts dust and lint<BR>which will find its ways into the camera.</BODY></HTML> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted April 9, 2000 Author Share Posted April 9, 2000 The issue of 'reliablity' of Minox 35mm camera has being debated for long time on the net. In some people's hand it went to repair shop almost every year, while other reported using a Minox camera for 18 years without fail. <p> What is the cause of this disparity ? <p> The most frequent failure is either shutter stuck or shutter fail. <p> This prompted me to think that the longevity of Minox camrea is very much dependent on the habit of its user. Thus I took a closer look into the working and failure modes of Minox 35mm shutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted April 9, 2000 Author Share Posted April 9, 2000 Read the interesting thread about how a Minox MB shutter problem was successfully fixed. <a href="http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002 vl3">Fixing MB shutter </a> <p> I have no direct experience in Minox 35mm repair. My reply and suggested fix for Anders' Minox MB stems from my own analysis of of Minox shutter, in particular dust severely weakend the air gap pull force of electromagnet in Minox shutter <p> I hope my analysis will contribute to the longevity of Minox 35mm camera for every user Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars.hagglund Posted April 11, 2000 Share Posted April 11, 2000 Thank you for a very intresting and informative article. Perhaps you also can tell me why the shutter of my GL only works on a single (not known) time, regardless of which aperture I use. The pointer of the meter swings normally, but I understand that there is a separate circuit for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted April 11, 2000 Author Share Posted April 11, 2000 Lars, your Minox camera probably works only at 1/125; the cause of this single shutter speed may well be that the Hotshoe Micro switch is on--- ie, the metal contact is depressed down by dust or othersubstance. Clean the contact, press it slight down (press hard ) anduse a Q tip to clean the gap then try again. If this fails, try a new battery, if that fails, go to see Doc DAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars.hagglund Posted April 11, 2000 Share Posted April 11, 2000 Thanks Martin. I'm sorry to say that your advice did not work. I also removed the top, and found the inside clean. The lever worked ok, so I suppose I have to send the camera away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted April 29, 2000 Author Share Posted April 29, 2000 <h3> Typical Wire Gage of Solenoid in Minox shutter </h3> Minox 110s camera's shutter controlling solenoid is easy to access, it is right under the bottom plate. <p> The wire bobbin is about 10mm long, with a diameter of 4mm, wound with resin coated AWG 39 wire. <p> Since I cannot measure the diameter of the wire directly, I use a Seibert Emoskop to compare its thickness with the cut edge of a piece of 4.5 mil paper-- the wire is thinner than the paper, about 3.5 mil-- about AWG #39 <P> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTC Photography Posted January 11, 2001 Author Share Posted January 11, 2001 Further analysis:<P><a href="http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=002yOM"><font size=5>The Lung of Minox 35</font></a> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leo__ Posted December 31, 2001 Share Posted December 31, 2001 It is a great resource about Minox. However, I would like to correct some points here. <p> Minox 35 has two solenoids. The first one (upper) is for the "open" action of shutter. The other is for the "close" action. The winding mechanic is to clock the shutter and the solenoids are used to trigger the "open and close" mechanic only. Same amount of energy or electricity current was applied to these solenoid for 1/500s or 20s exposure. <p> One of my hobbies is to repair Minox 35s. The shutter of Minox 35 is good and wisely designed. I encountered 20+ minox 35 has the shutter problem. No incident was caused by solenoid failure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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