Migration of LUSENET Photography Forums

Discussion in 'Photo.net Site Help' started by services_photonet, Jun 8, 2002.

  1. We are happy to announce that 13 new forums are now available to members of photo.net, as a result of the migration of the forums from greenspun.com. Please read this Announcement for more information.
     
  2. Thanks for all this hard work! I understand how difficult and stressful it is to reliably migrate from one data model to another and can fully appreciate the work done here. Thank-you.
     
  3. The incorporation of these subject specific forums will be a breath of life for photo.net. Thank you all.
     
  4. Bravo! Fantastic! In my opinion, these thoughtful changes are a major improvement to Photo.net, and I offer my sincere thanks!
     
  5. Uh, OK, where are they?
     
  6. Uh, Donald. Read the first message again - REAL SLOW. See if something clicks!
     
  7. Great. Thank you. I love the Leica as well as the Large Format forums--now it is all in one place.
     
  8. You might have first asked the administrators and users of these forums if they wanted to be moved or not... I know there is still a debate brewing amongst some of the LF forum participants...
     
  9. Will the ported forms be subject to the photo.net moderation policy for new postings? As in they will be deleted before being posted if the moderators don't think the question suitable for the archives? Or will the post be immediately posted to the server, as was the case on Lusenet?
     
  10. rowlett

    rowlett Moderator

    I believe I speak for the majority of the membership of the Leica Q&A forum when I say that this is an exciting change and it will prove to be a vast improvement. I wish to extend my gratitude for the painful job this must have been. Bravo!! And Many Thanks!
    <p>
    Tony Rowlett, Leica Q&A forum moderator
     
  11. Josh Wand: You might have first asked the administrators and users of these forums if they wanted to be moved or not... I know there is still a debate brewing amongst some of the LF forum participants...
    Most of the forum moderators are positive (ofen strongly so) or at least neutral about the move. The only real exception is the LF forum, where the moderator is ambivalent about the move and some of the members are negative. There was a very long thread in the LF forum in December when moderators were first notified about the move; I counted "votes" in that thread and most of them either favored photo.net over other options or were more or less neutral. There were some strong objectors, whose minds I hope we will be able to change. Many of the people who objected, did state that migration to photo.net was preferable to ending the forum.
    The LF forum members were not able to find an alternative since being notified in December, and the future of LUSENET is not long. The last time the machine went down, it took four days before it came to the attention of someone with the ability to do something about it. (Incidentally, it was a photo.net staff person who ran around to get a key to the "cage" the system was in in order to do that, even though greenspun.com is not really part of photo.net, and the greenspun.com box is in a different facility.) Even if the LUSENET system ran by itself, Philip Greenspun has announced his intention to wind the service down and to stop paying the ISP charges.
    Josh, I know that you had hoped to move the LF forum to another ISP, perhaps using the software you developed. However, give the forum a chance to succeed here. We have not foreclosed any options the members of that forum may have by moving it here. Besides, we can always use your programming talent as a photo.net volunteer.
     
  12. Erik: Will the ported forms be subject to the photo.net moderation policy for new postings? As in they will be deleted before being posted if the moderators don't think the question suitable for the archives? Or will the post be immediately posted to the server, as was the case on Lusenet?
    The forums will be moderated in the same way as on greenspun.com, by the same moderators. Those moderators may decide to change the moderation policy to take advantage of features on photo.net, but that will be the moderators' decision.
    Incidentally, the scheme you describe above never applied even to all of the forums on photo.net. It applies only to the two General Photography forums. The moderators of those forums screen postings to the Archived forum and direct some of them to the Unarchived forum.
    But the migrated LUSENET forums will work like the other photo.net forums, like Nature and Medium Format Digest, with postings going into the forum immediately.
     
  13. Brian, a little off-topic here. Would you by chance know what the future of the greenspun.com web services will be? No one can give me an answer.
    <p>
    I use Philip's free "spam" service to run my mailing list on my web site, as do a lot of other sites. If that's going away, I need to make other arrangements.
    <p>
    Thanks for any info.
     
  14. Jim, as far as I know, Philip has not decided a date for pulling the plug on greenspun.com.

    I know that he does intend to do so -- in part because of the expense of the ISP charges, but probably more so because there is just no one to take care of the system and keep it going.

    At the moment, when it goes down, it stays down until someone notices, tracks down the key, and finally goes over to the colo site and reboots the machine. There is a very small and dwindling group of friends-of-Philip who are involved in doing this, Philip himself being on a long vacation.

    The system runs on some free hardware that Philip picked up somewhere along the way, and it isn't a very reliable box. So, I think it likely that one day it will go down and stay down so long that nobody will think it is worthwhile to bring it back up again.
     
  15. For the records, Brian, the LF Forum moderator (myself) emailed
    you as well as services@photo.net to ask you to delay the move
    until a consensus could be reached, and this email went
    unanswered by both. I will explain my position in more detail
    on the LF page.
     
  16. Quang, I answered your message. The first time the server at sri bounced my mail, and I assumed it was because it didn't like the capitalized domain name in luong@AI.SRI.COM. I tried again with luong@ai.sri.com, and didn't receive anything back; so I assumed you got it. I've sent you two subsequent messages: one last night about the message that you wanted deleted. And another this morning to you and the 8 other moderators with a lot of details about the move. Have you not been receiving any of these messages?
     
  17. This is the message that I sent to Tuan, which doesn't contain anything that can't be shared. (This is actually the one that bounced since I didn't save my second attempt.)

    From: "Brian Mottershead"
    To: "Quang-Tuan Luong"
    Cc: "Rajeev Surati"
    References:
    Subject: Re: Migration of LF Forum at LUSENET
    Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 14:36:17 -0400
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    Tuan,

    I've been told that the situation at the moment
    with LUSENET is that there is nobody monitoring
    the machine. Each time it goes down for any reason,
    it is taking longer and longer for someone to notice
    and bring it back up. I don't think there was
    any firm plan on Philip's part to turn the machine
    off, and to stop paying the ISP charges, but that day is not
    too far off.

    The more likely scenario is that LUSENET will
    go down one day when someone is travelling or on
    vacation or preoccupied with something else, and
    not come back up for a long period of time. Philip himself left
    for a long vacation last weekend and will be
    virtually incommunicado for the next four months,
    but I believe that he arranged for other people to
    look after the system from time to time. However,
    unlike photo.net, there is nobody concerning himself
    with LUSENET on a daily basis.

    So, there is some urgency about identifying a
    new site for the forum, which is too valuable
    to just abandon. I guess our plan is to go
    forward with the migration, per Philip's instructions,
    notwithstanding your desire for a further delay.
    The forum members can then debate on photo.net (or
    anywhere else they wish, of course) whether they
    dislike photo.net sufficiently to migrate somewhere
    else and copy their content there. But I believe
    that once people settle into the forum's new
    home, they will find that a further migration is
    not necessary. photo.net will be doing its best
    to address the concerns of forum members.

    Best regards,

    Brian
     
  18. Brian, to answer your question, I received two messages from
    you on Saturday, which were
    unrelated to my messages. I did not receive the email
    that you quote in this thread. I just sent a message to
    luong@AI.SRI.COM successfully.
     
  19. Thank You for the hard work ! Much appreciated
     
  20. Uh, Alec -- us large format/bellows and manual upside down focus types might have a little trouble with all the fancy new 20th Century technology (are we now in still another century?). ;-)
     
  21. Great that these have been added to photo.net; any chance that they will be added to the drop-down menu bar?
     
  22. Christian. I am planning to put them all on the menu bar when I summon the courage to touch that code.
     
  23. The forums did not MIGRATE. You have put them here or given them a new internet address where they may be read. Birds and animals may migrate but computer junk does not do so.
     
  24. From the OED:

    Migrate, v.

    1. intr. To pass from one place to another; spec. in Chem. (see MIGRATION a). Also trans. in pass. to be transported.

    2. a. intr. Of persons, a tribe, etc.: To move from one place of abode to another; esp. to leave one's country to settle in another; to remove to another country, town, college, etc. Also transf.

    b. Nat. Hist. Of animals: To go from one region or habitat to another; spec. of some birds and fishes, to come and go regularly with the seasons (see MIGRATION).

    3. Histol. Of a cell: To move out of the blood-vessels into the tissues. (Cf. MIGRATORY a. 1c.)

    In the common lexicon of the computer industry, data migration is when you move data or processes from one system to another (usually newer) system.
     
  25. Well, I've worked for around 25 years in the computer software industry, including a lot of that time for a computer manufacturer. So I might have forgotten what is English and what is computer jargon. However, in this particular case "migration" doesn't seem so inappropriate. To use another computer-industry term, perhaps the migration was so "transparent" that it doesn't seem like one. However, I will tell you that it was "non-trivial".
     
  26. From my dictionary:

    nit·pick (nit-pik) intr. v. nit·picked, nit·pick·ing, nit·picks

    To be concerned with or find fault with insignificant details. See Synonyms at quibble.
     
  27. Brian is doing an excellent job in migrating or porting, what ever you may call it , several photography related forums from lusenet to
    photo.net.
    <p>Brian not only migrated Minox Photography, but also merged it with
    Minox FAQ all into one , and consolidated several of my account (email
    addresses) into one, all done in speedy manner without glitch.
    <p>Thank you Brian
     
  28. The new forums may be here, but they are hard to find as they
    are currently not indexed under the usual Photo Net headings. In
    fact the only way that I have been able to look at them so far is by
    following the above link labelled " Announcement ".

    Any prospect of listing the Lusenet Forums along with the
    original Photo Net forums?
     
  29. find it, bookmark it...
     
  30. Allan, they are on the Community/Forums page, which is where all the other forums are. They are in the Unified Forum, where they have been switched on by default (that is, people have to personalize them away).

    The only place they are not on equal footing with the original photo.net forums is in the pull down menus. I have to change the code that generates the Javascript for the pull-down menus. I might get to that tonight, since my mailbox is now almost empty of merge and help-me-login messages.
     
  31. They are now on the pull down Community/Forums menu, which is now rather long.
     
  32. Question on the drop-down menu: are there any forums that appear on the list below "Camera Equipment"? IE 6 will not allow me to scroll down and follow the list any further, and it only lets me get this far when I make the Windows navigation bar disappear.
     

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