ricardo_tomasi Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Hi, Just went through a dozen shots with the DA 18-55 and SA 50-200 on a K1000 body, using ISO 100 slide. After some shots I noticed that something was off. Having no aperture ring, the lens is always wide open (3.5-5.6), but despite this, I had to use shutter speeds as low as 1/30 in bright sunlight to get the camera metering right. After I got home, I checked with a M lens at f/4. When using the digital lenses, at the equivalent aperture, the in-camera meter acts like there is up to 6 stops less light. Any thoughts on what's going on? Should I aim for the correct exposure as the meter is telling me, or should I use exposure settings based on a manual lens? Which will be the correct exposure? I don't know anything about the inner workings of the K1000, but maybe the light sensor is located outside of the image circle, where the DA lens can't reach? I'd appreciate any suggestions, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godfrey Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Pentax lenses set to the "A" setting are, by default, at their smaller lens opening on bodies like the K1000 that do not support the aperture regulation from the body and depend on the lens mechanisms to regulate the aperture. DA lenses are akin to Pentax lenses with an "A" setting permanently fixed to "A". The automatic iris function works, even on bodies without "A" function support, but at exposure time the lens will stop down to f/22 or whatever it's minimum aperture is. Thus the long exposure times required for proper exposure. Godfrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2imaging Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 Wow, I'm kinda suprised that the K-1000 properly recognized the fact that the lens would be operating at minimum aperture. Sounds to me like your meter works fine, just hope you weren't looking for shallow DOF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_kuhne Posted September 13, 2007 Share Posted September 13, 2007 Godfrey is right on. These DA lenses were not designed for film camera use, especially a model requiring a lens aperture ring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricardo_tomasi Posted September 16, 2007 Author Share Posted September 16, 2007 I know the DA lens are not designed for use on a film body, but after reading dozens of comments of "I wonder how..." I decided to try it myself. Having an ultra-cheap 18mm is very appealing, and as I thought I'd be shooting at f3.5-5.6 it would be very useable. Guess I skipped some basic lessons... A question keeps hammering on my head: how does the poor K1000 predicts the aperture!? If the aperture lever running distance is related to the aperture values, could I block it half-way to use a wider aperture? :) Anyway, even at f22 it might be useful, as I don't have any really wide lenses for film. The downside is that the distortion is really horrible, and the perspective changes are really weird as you point the lens around. Same with the 50-200, where you can actually see the pincushion effect bending everything at the long end. Thanks for helping! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godfrey Posted September 16, 2007 Share Posted September 16, 2007 <center> <img src="http://www.gdgphoto.com/grp-walking/pannyL1_21mm.jpg"><br> Panasonic L1 + Pentax DA21mm f/3.2 Limited<br> </center><br> The K1000 and other Pentax bodies designed for use with pre-A series lenses have a follow-finger that fits into a slot in the lens mount. This slot, on other series of Pentax lenses, has a mechanical position stop so that the body knows what aperture the lens is set to independent of the iris actuating lever and can meter at full aperture. <br> <br> The default position of this mechanical stop in the K/M/A/F/FA/D-FA lenses is at the lens' minimum aperture, which is also where the mechanical aperture ring is when you set the "A" position on the ring control; as you open up the lens, the mechanical stop pushes the follow finger to inform the body of other aperture settings. When you use the aperture ring to set the lens opening with these lenses, at exposure time the iris actuator is simply pushed by the body's actuating lever to the limit that the aperture ring has set<br> <br> A-series lenses and the bodies designed to work with them on the "A" position communicate the aperture setting electrically, the body ignores the follow finger signal. On these lenses, at the time of exposure the body's iris actuating lever moves the lens' iris lever the correct distance to achieve the desired aperture. <br> <br> The DA lenses do not have the mechanical regulation mechanism and follow stop, they are designed to communicate with the body electronically and the lens opening is set by the body's iris actuating lever. However, since the slot is there and the default position is honored (as if the lens were simply permanently set at the "A" position"), the K1000 body knows the exposure time lens opening will be minimum aperture and achieves correct exposure as a result, assuming that the metering range can accommodate f/22 with the amount of light that's in the scene and the sensitivity setting. <br> <br> The trick that I use to achieve larger lens openings with a 4/3 System body and a DA series Pentax lens, as seen in the picture above, would not work with the Pentax bodies because 4/3 System bodies don't have a mechanical lever to work the iris actuator at all: these bits are just hanging about back there, unconnected with anything. On those bodies, fitting the DA lens with an adapter, I can use a little bit of museum putty and "glue" the iris actuator to a useful lens opening like f/5.6-f/8. <br> <br> This kind of solution could jam the mechanical actuator on the K1000 and other Pentax bodies, or worse fall off and get caught up into the shutter mechanism. I don't recommend trying anything like it. <br> <br> Godfrey<br> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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