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I have Mac Pro 2010 with Dual 3.46ghz quad core, M.2 SSD 256gb, 32gb RAM, gtx 1060, and etc. I also have MacBook Pro 2013.

 

I start to doubt about using Mac computer because it doesn't not perform well compare to PC. It's just TOO expansive and limited to be honest. Recently, they officially announced that Mac Pro 2013 is a trash and failed product and when I heard this news, I really doubt about Mac system so much. They didn't even care about Mac computers at all.

 

Right now, Im getting A7rii and I already worried about the computer that I have. I use LR and Photoshop but it does not perform well with Mac Pro 2010. Even with Capture one Pro, it's laggy and slow. Since Apple won't gonna release a new Mac Pro till late 2018 or early 2019 and I don't need a workstation just for LR and Photoshop, Im thinking to move from Mac to PC. I checked computer parts for my uses and it cost only $2000. Intel 7700k or Ryzen 1800, liquid cooling system, 32gb ram, 500gb m.2 SSD, bigger case, and more.

 

But still, I am not sure if I want to move to PC since photo industry is somewhat Mac friendly(my school have only Mac Pros) especially printing and calibration. I like MacOS but I don't see its future. What should I do? Just move to PC?

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they officially announced that Mac Pro 2013 is a trash

Who announced this, where? I am not a Mac-fan, but this is really complete nonsens. The current Mac Pro in the shape of a trashcan (which is quite something different from it being trash) might not be the ideal choice for all users, and by now it starts to show its age, but it's not a bad workstation by any stretch of imagination.

 

Other than that, whether YOU like Windows or MacOS better is what matters; it's file compatibility that matters more than anything else. So choose the OS you like best, and go from there.

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I use a Mac and my wife uses a PC. My wife spends quite a bit of time dealing with issues on her PC. I am much more productive on my Mac and rarely have to deal with Mac OS issues. That is one of the reasons years ago I switched to the Mac operating system. Apple has made me upset lately with their discontinuation of Aperture software but all in all I still prefer the Mac. Wouter gave you some good advice. Go with the system you like the best. Both systems will get the job done, just in different ways.

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As said, this"official" information of "trash" is entirely bogus. Some reviewer might have Opined so, but that doesn't make it true. Some "fanboys" are always saying something like that about both major OSs.

 

That a 2010 computer doesn't work as well anymore is also subjective. Can you guess how many people years that 7 computer years translates to?

 

Go use a Windows machine and see how happy it makes you.

 

You can switch to Linux on your old Mac, BTW. If the Mac OS is described as ""User Friendly, then Linux is "Expert tolerant"

 

I looked hard, but apparently this is not an ancient, reanimated thread, as I thought when I first read it. Haven't seen much like it in years.

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For all Apple's hype, I don't think there's anything to choose between PC and Mac hardware these days. That Apple dropped the (once) more streamlined Motorola 68xxxx architecture in favour of Intel's botched reincarnations of the dinosaur x86, with its crazy memory mapping and instruction set, amazes me.

 

So all that you're left with (Linux apart) is a choice between two bloated, opaque and sluggish operating systems.

 

Toss a coin. It's as wise a decision as any.

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Who announced this, where? I am not a Mac-fan, but this is really complete nonsens. The current Mac Pro in the shape of a trashcan (which is quite something different from it being trash) might not be the ideal choice for all users, and by now it starts to show its age, but it's not a bad workstation by any stretch of imagination.

 

Other than that, whether YOU like Windows or MacOS better is what matters; it's file compatibility that matters more than anything else. So choose the OS you like best, and go from there.

 

Apple Apologizes About Mac Pro's Lack of Upgradability, Ensures It's Still Committed to Pros

 

They apologized about it. It's a workstation computer but it has only one fan to cool 1 CPU and 2 GPU. This is really a ridiculous idea. Can you explain why couldn't they update Mac Pro for 5 years? It officially considered as a trash.

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As said, this"official" information of "trash" is entirely bogus. Some reviewer might have Opined so, but that doesn't make it true. Some "fanboys" are always saying something like that about both major OSs.

 

That a 2010 computer doesn't work as well anymore is also subjective. Can you guess how many people years that 7 computer years translates to?

 

Go use a Windows machine and see how happy it makes you.

 

You can switch to Linux on your old Mac, BTW. If the Mac OS is described as ""User Friendly, then Linux is "Expert tolerant"

 

I looked hard, but apparently this is not an ancient, reanimated thread, as I thought when I first read it. Haven't seen much like it in years.

 

Apple Apologizes About Mac Pro's Lack of Upgradability, Ensures It's Still Committed to Pros

 

It's not fake. It's a fact. Nobody wants not upgradeable workstation with a worst cooling system.

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It officially considered as a trash.

 

Right. An apology for not making it upgradeable enough equals "trash" and "failed product". Sure.

 

This thread isn't in the least bit to get some advice on your future acquisition, you just want to shout some random nonsens. And frankly, we're stupid enough to fall for this, which surely brings the shame on us. Buy whatever you want, for whatever reason you want.

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For the larger files that you'll be dealing with, you need to upgrade, either way. Windows 10 is very stable environment and runs DxO, LR and PS without a hitch, processing my 80MB RAW files from my Canon 5DS-R. I know people running the latest Apple products with no problems either. The file sizes and software complexity are growing exponentially, so you've done pretty well to get several years out of your old computer. These days, either runs the latest software without trouble, just get a fast processor and AT LEAST 8GB of memory and preferably 16GB and an upgraded graphics card.
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My experience is that Adobe products run flawlessly in both Mac and Windows computers. Mac is a lot friendlier to USB devices than Windows, and I'm looking forward to more and better Thunderbolt devices. I have an external SSD scratch drive for an iMac which runs nearly 600 MB/s transfer speed.

 

If you want an upgradable Apple product, get a Mac Pro, not MacBook nor iMac. You will also gain more reliable cooling and operation in general. However the cost may not justify the rewards. I have an HP 8-Xexon workstation, which I have used and upgraded since about 2007. It is definitely at the end of life. If you can get 3-4 years good service out of a computer before it runs out of horsepower, call it a success.

 

My current go-to computer is an 2016 iMac, which runs about as fast with an i7 3.33 MHz processor as my HP. However I don't have to put up with weekly updates and constant nagging to upgrade to Windows 10, with all the hardware issues a new OS entails. Nor do I have to worry excessively about malware or intrusions, and it integrates perfectly with other Apple devices, especially contacts and messaging. Windows is definitely more flexible, but that comes at the cost of mutual incompatibility. I can share a common DROBO server, using Paragon NTFS in the iMac.

 

I bought a 13" MacBook Pro, rather than the larger, more powerful 15" version, because portable should mean PORTABLE. The Retina display has a wide viewing angle, and can be reliably calibrated using an X-Rite Display Pro. It has a built-in Smart Pad, which works the same as the external Smartpad for the desktop. HP has nothing like it, force touch and all. It is perfect for editing images, audio and video. A touch screen, like the HP tablet, doesn't interest me. Like most experienced graphics users, I'm a keyboard person. If I don't have a built-in KB shortcut, I make one.

 

Think ahead, and get the fastest processor, most memory and largest hard drive when you get an Apple device. However it's easy to attach and use external drives. I travel with a portable 1TB SSD (USB C, naturally).

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I am surely no Mac fan and never owned one. On the other hand: Have you seen LR & PS run faster on PCs? - I have no way photo related reasons to stick to the PC world. Lean back, look up some bench marks and consult your Task Manager equivalent (under maximum work load via Adobe software) to figure out why you might really want a contemporary maxed out PC. If (which I'd doubt) your CPU runs under full load, try doing the math which little gain in total the CPU upgrade might provide. Is it worth all that money? Or could it make more sense to schedule your life differently to do something else than staring at a hourglass symbol (or whatever else might be on your busy screen)? - Example I own a vintage Sandy Bridge but haven't ever seen it busy. Benchmark tests against a 7700K don't look convincing to me. I am fine to buy upgrade parts that seem 200%+x the speed of what I have. 1.4x doesn't look worth the hassle.

Water cooling, do you really need it? - A CPU has about one third of a GPU's TDP Aftermarket CPU coolers look quite capable and impressive, while GPU coolers are much smaller although they really have to do a lot of work. If I'll ever water cool anything; it will be a GPU.

Buy whatever you like, if you can imagine it would make you happy. If I was you I'd torture that Mac you have until Apple build a great one some day.

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In the Windows world, USB 3 works flawlessly. I can upload 64GB off my CF or SD cards in seconds. Moving things between internal and external HDs via USB 3 is fast.

Seconds become minutes. 64 GB via USB3 will take about 6 minutes to a standard, 7200 rpm SATA drive, or a little over a minute to a fast SSD.

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Best tech support matters little, when you are a broke student or starving artist and already challenged to afford the minor components you might have to replace. Benjamin's current box sounds user upgraded to me.

In doubt I would stick with both systems. Maybe it is worth to have a Mac for the final color tweaking on your keepers? - Excessive calculations and system speed are more likely needed for something else.

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I consider myself to be technically savvy, but found myself spending too much time "fixing" things in my PC that broke, both software and hardware related. I put a lot of demands on the graphics card, for example, which would frequently crash in recent months due to conflicts with the operating system (Windows 7), requiring re-booting. Weekly updates from Microsoft would often precipitate these events, which cramped my productivity. My workstation is admittedly old and loaded up at both ends, but do I continue down the Windows path, which was always rocky, or try a new system? I have never used a Mac until now, but I think it was the right choice.

 

Apple builds a wall around their system and hardware. There are very few things you can do to modify the hardware (iMac 2016 27", only add memory). Software is totally controlled (and vetted) by Apple, which is both limiting and reassuring that it will work as promised, or at least cause no harm. While there have been problems, the path has been pretty smooth, considering the learning curve after 40 years of PCs.

 

Performance-wise, I'm sure I could do better with a PC for a lot less money; but time is money too. Since there are fewer variations, it's a lot easier to find help for Apple on the internet. Folks at the Apple Store are usually very knowledgeable, whereas they're mostly just clerks at PC stores. Life is a lot easier when you don't have to be a hacker on a daily basis. The deal-breakers are the non-technical things, like messaging, contact lists, and cloud storage, which are completely integrated between computers, laptops and iOS devices. In Windows, each business and social application has its own contact list, which alone requires a lot of maintenance.

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FWIW, I'm handling 4x5 scans at 6200 ppi on a PowerMac G5(dual 2.7ghz, early 2005).

 

I'd be tempted to take a serious look at your current upgrade paths for your 2010 Mac Pro(4,1). At a minimum, consider putting in an SSD. If yours is a dual processor model, you have a LOT of RAM slots to throw RAM at it. You still have your fair share in the SP models, and you can pretty inexpensively get it to 32gb of RAM.

 

Processor upgrades are also a possibility in these. I think there are some quirks at least with dual processor models and needing lidless processors(but another part of me thinks that might be peculiar to the 4,1 which is nearly identical-I'd have to check). Processors will run a few hundred dollars, but both adding cores and increasing the clock speed can help the computer a fair bit.

 

FWIW, I'm still using a 2006 Mac Pro(1,1) at work on a daily basis. With an SSD and 16gb of RAM, it's pleasantly fast in daily usage although does show its age when its pushed(i.e. if I try to do an lens correction on a 4x5 scan-my 2012 MBP is faster). I have upgraded that computer to dual quad core 3.0ghz processors, although they are quite an old generation.

 

I worked on a "trash can" not too long ago at work. I upgraded the RAM and installed an OWC 2TB drive. It really is an elegant design. I pulled the top off of it and paused to let the owner appreciate just how beautifully laid out the interior is. For the stuff that CAN be upgraded, it's also amazingly easy to access.

 

BTW, I've read the interview linked above a few times. What I took away from it was that Apple had basically painted themselves into a thermal corner with the design and the lower TDP GPUs they expected never materialized. The machine isn't bad, per se, it's just that Apple can't go any further with it(it's the G4 Cube all over again in more ways than one).

 

In all honesty, as much as I love the Mac Pros they really have always been built as workstations and a lot of the features that run up the price(registered ECC RAM, etc) are overkill for even the heaviest photo and even video work. If I felt the need for a new Mac desktop, my inclination would be to max out a 27" iMac. I think that would do you for quite a while.

 

BTW, I've not found my 2012 MBP to be deficient even when I dump a few hundred RAW files into Lightroom. The only thing where it IS noticeably a bit slow is, again, when I'm handling 100mb 4x5 scans in Photoshop.

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There is always plenty of support available on the internet for both MS and Apple. I don't pay over the top Apple prices, as I find no benefit from them. I don't particularly like Windows, but find 10 nice and stable, but I find iOS also not particularly likeable either. Apple is cool and PCs are not. I remain baffled why people find desktop computers things of interest in and of themselves. They passed the interesting stage in about the year 2000.
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Ben has it exactly.

I've been on Macs most of the time since 1984. My three year HAVING to work on Windows was not intolerable, just awkward and stiff, and I still had Macs at home using the same software (Office).

When I retired, and didn't have to mess with Windoze any more, it was like having your chains cut.

 

My leading machine is now the cylinder Mac Pro

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I don't need that much power, but I love it. It's a long way from NEEDING an upgrade. However, my 27" iMac (now for Netflix) and My MacBook (2007, on-line browsing) and my G4 Mac Pro ( 1999! [imagine what that would be in people years] running my old scanners) all run Mac OS X and up to Sierra. The older machines are slower, but still very useful.

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Oh dear, JDM has totally drunk the Kool-Aid, in fact he's swimming in it.

You, sir, are out of line. JDM and others consider computers as tools, and demonstrate a considerable degree of competency in that regard. Who better to assess the relative merits of the two systems than those who have used both, professionally?

 

A computer is a tool to accomplish a variety of tasks. Esthetics or "Kool-Aid" are peripheral attributes. The best hammer is one that doesn't need the head reattached several times a day.

 

A Mac is not better than a PC in all ways. Sierra is only now settling down with regard to software and hardware compatibility. Print drivers are a sore point with Mac compared to Windows - I cannot reach the detailed setup page for most of my printers. I do a lot of publishing production, and it is impossible to synchronize fonts between the systems. I rely on PDFs created in one to print on the other. Translating keystrokes between the two systems, there is no consistency between the PC [ctl] and [alt] keys and Mac's [control], [option] and [command].

 

Some of us have evolved beyond email and FaceTime.

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In a way, Apple Stores resemble tabernacles more then retail establishments. Their clerks should be in white robes as they tend to the black, white and silver display tables (altars) and worshipers (shoppers) ;) Yet solid, technical advice is readily available there, from roving specialists. I never feel pressured nor hyped. OS has become more Windows-like. You even have the option to see file extensions instead of hidden "forks." Networking and sharing is highly manageable, without the electronic shouting for attention in earlier times. Edited by Ed_Ingold
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