Discussion in 'Modern Film Cameras' started by Paul Lewis, Mar 16, 2017.
Sorry it was meant to be sarcasm. But I did enjoy reading about previous centuries technologies, the same way I enjoy visiting transport and aviation museums.
In the standard focal length category there are older cameras that would be hard to compete with on price, like this Nikon with a 5 element lens:
Nikon L35AF Classic 35mm Film Camera Review with Sample Photos at D2 Gallery
But in the 28mm focal length category there seems to be only expensive older cameras like the Ricoh GR1.
Bellamy Hunt is for it apparently. Maybe he can get fuji or somebody to build it.
The Nikon Lite Touch with its 28mm f3.5 lens (3 elements) was a great performer for the price, but producing a comparable film camera would be expensive. Given enough time, Lomo may produce something comparable in features, but not certain if they could ever approach the quality of the last major name brand AF compacts.
Personally, I'm saving my money at the moment for a Fuji GS645.
I'd buy up a Mamiya 6 in a heartbeat if I could afford one.
I'm with you. I would rather have either of those camera's.
What's not to love about a pocketable MF rangefinder? The Mamiya 6 gets the edge over the 7 for the greater number of exposures per roll and the collapsing lens.
There are enough compact 35mm cameras out there now. Some of them are pretty darn good and not that old either-I don't see there really being a shortage of them.
A "real"(i.e. not Holga) compact MF camera is something I really long for.
Well I read that Bellamy Hunt say's he thinks there is a solid market for a high quality compact. I would not know myself or what the would sell or not sell out there. Bellamy may be right or wrong about that. However he is trying to find somebody to work with him to make the camera's. I applaud him for that.
Basically I have enough camera's for many years and would just watch with interest in how it plays out. I have a Mamiya 645e and like the camera a great deal. If I dropped it I could get a new body for under $300.00 which fits my budget. I have a bunch of 35mm camera's already and probably am not going to use them much. I personally would not purchase a compact 35mm. For a pocket camera I use the cell phone. Yesterday I went hiking with the family and took 4 photos of them with my MF and one picture with my cell phone. I uploaded the cell photo to face book as soon as I got back into a service area. The MF photos will get printed for the family album. As far as purchasing a new MF camera of a smaller size I would not buy it becuase the cost would exceed my willingness to spend. I am just going to shoot my Mamiya and have fun with it. Next month I am going to hike Half Dome and plan on just taking my cell phone for a camera. It's a hard hike and I want minimum weight. I will go back at a later date with my 645e and take photos if I see something that I really want to shoot. I can carry that camera for 5 hrs with a tripod so I am reasonably mobile with it. Up Half Dome is something I have not done before but I know people that have and they say 10 hrs from the Mist trail. Longer if your not in shape for it. I cannot carry my MF for 10 hrs so I am not going to ruin my hike trying.
Hunt enjoys entertaining his site's followers and selling them stuff. I don't take him especially seriously on this or any other matter. Film camera sales were fading nearly 15 years ago and went over the falls just a few years later. I doubt there would be lineups to buy a $1000+ film compact when the Fuji X100T goes about the same price. The stuff of dreams...
That's about what my son says. My opinion is I do not know what would sell out there. If they were free camera's I would take the compact and use it on my upcoming hike up Half Dome. The Fuji is of no interest to me but if it fell in my lap I would sell it for sure.
My son did just put a Contax G1 with 2 lenses on ebay and people bidded it up on that camera. He made $150.00 on it. He bought it a while back when he was in Grad school in Montana. He also had an Olympus OMD EM5 that he bought from KEH about the same time and sold that also. He lost $150.00 on that and came out a wash on it all. He is shooting a Leica M6 that he got from Bellamy just a few days ago.. He received a real nice camera from Japan for sure.
I was just at the Hospital thrift shop. I stop in a few times a year to donate or to buy old stuff. I went through the camera basket today and it's basically filled with compact camera's that may or may not work. Canon sure shot and similar camera's. They had a Canon Underwater camera called AS-6 for $3.00 so I bought it. I am charging a couple of AAA batteries now to see if it fires up. I only have bulk film so I need to buy a regular role somewhere for the DX coding aspect. First I will see if it comes to life with batteries. I thought it might be fun if it worked and the underwater part may provide something interesting. Point and shoot 100% with a f4.5 lens. Fixed focus and I am just going to assume 12 feet would be the sweet spot.
The underwater camera is dead.
I handled the Mamiya 6 in it's days, was impressed but not afloat enough and stuck to C330 and added C33. As a compact I like the Agfa Super Isolette (heirloom) since the day I got contact lenses.
I am wondering, since this discussion is about AF compacts: Has there been any decent AF for them? Or could it be made at all? - I honestly don't know. I stuck with all variants of sluggish AF way too long, from borrowing a Minolta 5000 via digital point & waits to the first 4 Pentax DSLRs and early Fujis.
I don't think I'd be in the market for a modern premium film compact. - I own manual SLRs & RFs and should still get along with them.
My son has a Mamiya 330 and he enjoys it a great deal. I use a Mamiya 645e which seems well suited to me. I am going to lug it around the Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk this afternoon and take a few pictures of my Grand Kids on the rides and stuff.
As far as autofocus goes I tend to meter and focus in different places many times and with auto focus you have to get the AEL functions set so you can accomplish that. To me it's kind of like I have the feature and now I need to override it. Anyway I think that for me manual focus is quick and easy and preferred. I tend to keep the camera set at infinity and then when I am going to shoot I am usually just maybe 1/8th of a turn from critical focus. In a dark environment I can just set it and with auto focus the camera's that I have owned just start that hunting thing and you miss the shot.
I did try out a Mamiya 7 once at Yosemite. My friend had one and wanted me to try it out. So I did take it and shot a few roles of film but I had no contrast filters for B/W and I guess the rangefinder was out of adjustment as I had many shots out of focus. I guess I would rather just shoot my 645e as everything works. When I focus the camera then it's just in focus. The 645e is much smaller then the RB67 but is no compact by any means. Anyway I am happy with the camera and am fine just using it. I just shoot 400 speed B/W film in it so having other film backs to change out would not really be helpful. . They would all have the same film in them anyway. I do not shoot color film any longer as I do not want to take on developing color and I do not want to send color film out in the mail due to the high cost.
I own a Nikon FG with a 50mm E lens. It may not be a compact but it's fairly small. It's not going into your pocket for sure. I use my cell phone for pictures quite often and it's a compact and it works very good actually. On my upcoming hike up Yosemite's Half Dome on June 8th I am just taking my cell phone with me. I am going to have my MF camera in the car and plan on taking some photos with it on the 9th if I am not to tired or sore.
Some of the Sure Shots can be really worthwhile cameras. I recently picked up a Sure Shot Supreme, which has a very good 4 element f/2.8 lens with unusually close focusing. I ran a roll of expired Ektar through it and was impressed with the results. It's nice to use, except for the small and awkwardly placed flash suppression button. Luckily it hasn't suffered the price inflation of cult cameras like the Yashica T4, which has a fairly similar specification. Incidentally, I noticed someone at a camera fair this weekend was asking £200 for a Yashica T-Zoom (aka T4 Zoom). It's an unremarkable P&S of its time, with a typically slow zoom, and without the Zeiss-branded lens and the cult status of its fixed focal length sibling would be worth perhaps 1/10th of that price.
I remember the Sure Shot was a popular model back in the day. The one I saw at the thrift shop was in good condition externally, light plastic camera. I did not actually pay much attention to it as the basket was full of similar models. I am not going to purchase it however. I am not sure I am even going to shoot any 35mm any longer in the interest of economy. I have a Medium Format interest these days and my budget for photography is consumed with that camera. I like Arista 400 in 120 format. I just figure my cell phone is my compact camera. I have 3 Nikon 35mm camera's currently and in a year if they are still sitting I will get rid of 2 of them and keep the FM2n around in case I change my mind sometime.
Just wishful thinking, I suppose,but I'd like to see a 127 camera even though the production of 127 is mainly slitting of 120. I'd like a folding fixed lens rangefinder with mechanical shutter speeds from 1 to 1/500 plus B. The lens would be a Tessar-like 4 element of f 3.5. Modern counter instead of 'ye ole red window".
Back in the early 1960's (or maybe late 50's) a photo magazine writer called 127 the "format of the future".
Of the Sure Shots, I prefer the AF35ML, aka the Super Sure Shot, with its fast, five-element f/1.9 40mm lens. I've owned my copy for going on 27 years now. It's a great little all-around shooter and is capable of quite impressive results. My biggest complaint about it is that, when using the flash, it tends to blow out the highlights at closer distances. One of the things I really like about it is it isn't a plastic camera. It has a metal frame and metal skin. Has some heft to it. Clean copies sell on eBay for more than a lot of SLRs do -- which indicates its popularity.
I found in a drawer today a Pentax IQ zoom 35mm camera. It's not complicated and frankly looks cheap but the lens is excellent. It's very good for a compact film camera, more versatility than I would have expected.
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