machts gut Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 <p>Here's a link I found recently with a comparison between the Canon EOS 5DMarkIII, Pana G3, Oly OM-D and Fuji X-E1 at ISO3200.<br> I'm impressed how well the Oly and also the inexpensive G3 does.<br> <a href="http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studio-compare#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20comparison&masterCamera=canon_eos5dmkiii&masterSample=5d3_5215&slotsCount=4&slot0Camera=canon_eos5dmkiii&slot0Sample=5d3_5215&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&slot1Camera=panasonic_dmcg3&slot1Sample=p1000085&slot2Camera=oly_em5&slot2Sample=p1010013&slot3Camera=fujifilm_xe1&slot3Sample=dscf4220&x=0.35230654761904756&y=-0.7127380752904383">http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studio-compare#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20comparison&masterCamera=canon_eos5dmkiii&masterSample=5d3_5215&slotsCount=4&slot0Camera=canon_eos5dmkiii&slot0Sample=5d3_5215&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&slot1Camera=panasonic_dmcg3&slot1Sample=p1000085&slot2Camera=oly_em5&slot2Sample=p1010013&slot3Camera=fujifilm_xe1&slot3Sample=dscf4220&x=0.35230654761904756&y=-0.7127380752904383</a></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce_rubenstein Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 <p>Looking at JPGs tells you how the camera processes JPGs. Noise can always be wiped away along with fine detail. Try looking at RAW files or JPGs of the ends of the feathers.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_bruner1 Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 <p>It will be interesting to see how the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMC-GH3K-Digital-Single-Mirrorless/dp/B009B0WREM?tag=battleforthew-20">Pana GH3</a> compares when dpreview gets around to adding it. In the meantime, here is an interesting side-by-side of the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMC-GH3K-Digital-Single-Mirrorless/dp/B009B0WREM?tag=battleforthew-20">GH3</a> with the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-Interchangeable-3-0-Inch-Tilting-Touchscreen/dp/B0074WDDN8?tag=battleforthew-20">OM-D</a>: <a href="http://www.ephotozine.com/article/olympus-om-d-e-m5-vs-panasonic-lumix-gh3-part-3-20502">http://www.ephotozine.com/article/olympus-om-d-e-m5-vs-panasonic-lumix-gh3-part-3-20502</a><br> Of course, the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-DMC-GH3K-Digital-Single-Mirrorless/dp/B009B0WREM?tag=battleforthew-20">GH3</a> is <a href="https://vimeo.com/55060120">clearly the superior video camera</a> - even over the impressive (and much more expensive) <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Frame-Full-HD-Digital-Camera/dp/B007FGYZFI?tag=battleforthew-20">5D Mark III</a>.<br> Best of the holidays to everyone,<br> Bill</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machts gut Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 <p>"Looking at JPGs tells you how the camera processes JPGs. Noise can always be wiped away along with fine detail. Try looking at RAW files or JPGs of the ends of the feathers."<br> <br />In generall you are right, Bruce, comparisons of jpgs never lead to an objective judgement. But in this example it reads that the files are all processed with Adobe Camera Raw and not in the camera. The examples show that the noise of the Olympus is not wiped away with the fine details, the details are still there! At least I see more than in the Canon pics, although they should have choosen better parts. Second you can also choose to have a look at the Raw files. And finally I find it impressive not because I think the Oly is the better camera, but because it shows that sensor size is not the important factor when it comes to IQ or as often stated, mFT is inferior to APS-C or FF because the sensor is smaller. There are always good reasons to buy one or the other system.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce_rubenstein Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 <p>I've basically ditched my ASP-C gear in favor of µ4/3 because I get better technical IQ. FF still generally has an advantage when it comes to dynamic range & noise. My point is that one has to be careful about drawing conclusions from examples like this. If I can't work with the files myself, then I'm more inclined to trust other photographer's comments who know what they're looking at and have shot many images with a particular camera.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lazzari Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 <p><strong>dpreview</strong> does have a fun & impressive comparison tool; but not only sensor performance is represented here. It also shows manufacture lens quality differences. <strong>What lens choice</strong> criteria has been used by <strong>dpreview</strong> in this comparison tool? Maybe standard "kit" lenses? - But for example, there isn't a "kit" for the Nikon 800E.</p> <blockquote> <p>"I find it impressive not because I think the Oly is the better camera, but because it shows that sensor size is not the important factor when it comes to IQ"<em><strong> Stefan T</strong></em></p> </blockquote> <p>So true...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcuknz Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 <p>If I wanted LEY I would go in closer and maybe use my CU lens :-) I was impressed with my G3 and kit lens and not unhappy with my GH2 now.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philip_wilson Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 <p>Try looking at the images shot RAW - I would suggest that it is Canon, then Fuji then M43 in terms of IQ</p> <p>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studio-compare#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20comparison&masterCamera=canon_eos5dmkiii&masterSample=5d3_5215.acr&slotsCount=4&slot0Camera=canon_eos5dmkiii&slot0Sample=5d3_5215.acr&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&slot1Camera=panasonic_dmcg3&slot1Sample=p1-400085.acr&slot2Camera=oly_em5&slot2Sample=p1010013.acr&slot3Camera=fujifilm_xe1&slot3Sample=dscf4220.acr&x=0.35230654761904756&y=-0.7127380752904383&extraCameraCount=0</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lazzari Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 <p>Alright, just found the pop-up for what lens was used etc. for the comparison tests. (They shoot mainly primes)<br> Below the magnified image and just right of the words JPEG and RAW, you can see a tiny "sun" icon.<br> Put your arrow on top of it and a "<strong>Camera settings</strong>" info screen pops up. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machts gut Posted December 20, 2012 Author Share Posted December 20, 2012 <p>"Try looking at the images shot RAW - I would suggest that it is Canon, then Fuji then M43 in terms of IQ"<br> A perfect example of how subjective the term IQ is. Yes, I know, I brought it up myself. Blame me! For me it's just the other way around. I find the Canon and Fuji images too soft and lacking detail. I'm not saying you are wrong and I am right, it's probably more a question of taste. Maybe it's because I was a Rodinal user for years.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laur1 Posted December 20, 2012 Share Posted December 20, 2012 <p>Thanks for posting this Stefan!</p> <p>I agree - the differences are very small, in both JPG and RAW comparisons. Noise is no longer a good reason to prefer a larger format. I see some color advantage for the 5DIII in some parts of this scene, but that is about all.</p> <p>The only thing I regret is that there was no MFT system when I decided to invest in digital equipment about five years ago. If I would start from scratch today, I wouldn't look at anything else.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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