Import Fuji Profiles into LrC 10.3

Discussion in 'Digital Darkroom' started by John Di Leo, Jun 27, 2021.

  1. on my machine tis under (see my previous post)
    C:\ProgramData(hidden by default)\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles split into adobe standard and camera sub-folders. under adobe, you'll see single dcps for models covered by your version (not even sure what these do - see screenshot). under camera, you'll see folders for models covered by your version incl. adobe DCP interpretation of the camera specific profiles (e.g. D2X modes 2, 3 etc. for older Nikons) which, I presume, ARC (or lightroom) mounts as you interpolate should you choose camera matching options. funny thing is, fujifilm folders, for any model, considering the aforementioned camera folder tree setup are nowhere to be seen on HDD although corresponding profiles (e.g. fake erm! sorry classic-chrome ;) ) will show once you fire up in ARC as camera matching options. any thoughts?

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    Last edited: Jul 27, 2021
  2. digitaldog

    digitaldog Andrew Rodney

    What version of ACR?
    https://helpx.adobe.com/in/camera-raw/using/adjust-color-rendering-camera-camera.html

    Manually install profiles
    The existing DCP profiles on your computer are automatically converted to XMP format, once you update to Camera Raw 10.3. If you want to add a DCP profile after the first launch, copy the profile manually to the following locations:

    Win: C:\ProgramData\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles
    Mac: /Library/Application Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles
     
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  3. 10.5.0.1001 - if relevant, cannot go higher as limited by PS 14.
     
  4. digitaldog

    digitaldog Andrew Rodney

    Ouch; way out of date, latest version is 13.3 and as you can see, things may have changed.
    PS 14 or Elements?

    I'm on a Mac, so I can only go by what Adobe is saying about Windows, while X-rite is showing:
    C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles

    Anyway, once you find the location, look for your camera model, that's what you have and if there are no Camera Matching Profiles (again, if that's what you're looking for), Adobe has stated that not all cameras will get such profiles initially and maybe never. Maybe they did in newer versions of ACR for your camera.

    You should always have at least Adobe Standard, Adobe Color, Adobe Landscape, Adobe Neutral, Adobe Vivid etc (with modern versions showing through the Profile Browser in Adobe Raw dropdown or as seen below, Favorites if so set ):
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    As you can see, Camera Matching is shown above, the profiles there would be based on the camera model and what profiles Adobe does or doesn't provide.
     
  5. Ok - does not seem exactly what I was after but I'll take a through look - appreciated anyway!
     
  6. Ok to make it easier,
    top image D700 in ACR. see camera matching.
    image below that D700 profiles on drive C:\ProgramData(hidden by default)\Adobe\CameraRaw\CameraProfiles\Camera
    image below that X100 in ACR. see camera matching
    no further images as theres no X100 folder on drive and for that matter, no fujifilm folders for any model at all!
    is it the case at your end?

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  7. digitaldog

    digitaldog Andrew Rodney

    Let's back up and take a 64K overview because I still am not certain what your goals or issues may be.
    1. DCP profiles can come in an optional set of flavor called Camera Matching from Adobe.
    2. Not all cameras have them or will ever get them.
    3. The idea is using these profiles 'mimics' the rendering you'd get IF you shot a JPEG and set your camera for a certain "Picture Style". In camera, the raw to JPEG proprietary engine produces this rendering and Adobe is hoping you'll feel their matching profiles are 'close enough'. There is no guarantee they will match, far more likely they will be subjectively 'close' but there are all kinds of variables where they may not (the illuminant which DCP profiles are built for can differ and boom, say under Fluorescent illuminant, a mismatch). There is more to this but it's a nutshell.
    4. The Picture Styles for *some* or maybe 'all' Fuji cameras may have Picture Styles with names of Fuji's transparence films. A color neg? Ridiculous but OK, pick it if you wish. Color negs are not fully rendered (kind of like raws). There is no guarantee that if you shot say Velvia on a Fuji film camera or otherwise, and at the same time shot a raw and set a Picture Style in the digital camera, they would match. Let alone on top of what a scanner and operator might produce from that transparency. And depending on the filter pack used for printing a neg, well again, the idea of a color neg Picture Style is silly.
    5. If you load a version of either ACR or LR, the profiles Adobe has built for all the cameras it supports will install the DCP profiles. If you don't see a Camera Matching Profile in the browser for that raw, it doesn't exist.
    6. You can (well some can) take an existing profile and target, edit that profile in the Adobe Profile Editor (free) to match a camera JPEG. I can provide an example done on this end for one camera that doesn't provide Adobe Camera Matching profiles. And like the above, there is no guarantee that an edited DCP profile and a camera JPEG with a picture style will match; from Adobe or one you or I edited. But you should be able to get closer.
    7. Adobe 'knows' where to install their profiles and again, if you do not see a Camera Matching profile, it doesn't exist (or perhaps someone did house cleaning and deleted them which is dumb; reinstall ACR or LR). And of course, outside Camera Matching profiles are the profiles Adobe provides that are not considered Camera Matching; Standard, Vivid, Neutral etc.
    In the screen capture above, you do have what appears to be a number of Camera Matching profiles (Provia, Velvia etc).

    What is absolutely clear, and factual: each DCP profile is camera model specific. One Fuji or Canon model must use the profile(s) specifically created for that model and cannot be used in any other model. As you can see in your screen capture, you can only see and select a profile for that raw from that specific camera.

    Now that this is outlined, what's the issue (if any) question (if any) about these profiles?
     
  8. Knowledge.

    post below might give you a better idea - if you were in agreement with conclusions made in thread then theres no need for further discussions

    Re: How does LR 6 reads Fuji RAF files?: Fujifilm X System / SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

    where the hell are adobe fujifilm DCPs (or equivalent) used for camera matching profile application in ACR/ lightroom located on my drive (or yours for that matter).

    But I don't and only for fujifilm and it's killing me.

    if you crack this - hats off
     
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  9. digitaldog

    digitaldog Andrew Rodney

    Specifically in respect to THIS thread.
    I tried providing knowledge in the other (including the basics of photographic 101: exposure). Did that work?
    Here you go sir; knowledge awaits you:
    Windows Basics: Finding Files on Your Computer
    I told you, Adobe told you, X-rite told you and more importantly, Adobe has installed the Camera Matching profiles and they either show up or the don't and I told you why they may not. They do for you right, you've showed us them. How about actually using them on a photo; got any?

    Wouldn't knowledge of ideal testing of moiré and ideally exposing a test image (or other images maybe you produce) for such testing or on topic, actually using the DCP profiles you can see on images (if you have any) be time better spent?

    What's next, you need knowledge of the DNG spec for DCP profiles needed in order to use them? I can provide that (it will make your head explode).

    Come on over; I'll show you the actual locations of all DCP profiles on my Mac. Your Win box? You're on your own after getting Adobe's and X-rite's path for profiles. Your Fuji Camera Matching profiles show up. Move on and try actually doing something with them!

    Anyway, the OP (who isn't you sir) got the factual answer he asked and actually by doing his own testing (what a concept) found the answer he got was indeed correct and he believes and accepts it.

    There seems to be some perverse human characteristic that likes to make easy things difficult.” -Warren Buffett
     
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  10. still have some charge left as a function of rigor mortis - it did in fact explode a couple of lines down your answer. Why make things difficult indeed!
     
  11. digitaldog

    digitaldog Andrew Rodney

    You want to find the profile, really?
    Open your Fuji raw in ACR.
    Apply the Color Matching Profile to it.
    Save As a DNG.
    Upload it. I can try extracting it (which of course is all pointless).
    FWIW, the profile is NOW inside the DNG container.

    Or you can move forward with whatever work you do (?), or photography you produce, use the Color Matching profiles or not; they are accessible where it counts; in the Adobe raw converters.
     
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