If you could do it ALL OVER again

Discussion in 'Canon EOS' started by bob_k|7, Nov 18, 2009.

  1. Assuming you shoot a wide array of subjects from landscape all the way to sports and portraits, what would your "best bang for the buck" set up be? Body? zooms? primes?
    My boyfriend just got his gear ripped off and I was thinking of surprising him with a new set up for Christmas...He was shooting with a 4 year old canon dslr and a couple of nice zooms and 1 prime.
  2. Same as I have now: 5D II, 17-40, 24-105, 70-200, all f4 zooms. And a 580EX flash. And, if I could afford it, I'd throw in a few primes, like the 50mm 1.4 and 100 f2 and maybe an L wide angle, like the 24mm 1.4.
    It's only money...
  3. Or maybe a 7D, EF-s 17-55 2.8 IS USM, EF 70-200 4L IS USM and EF 300 4L IS USM. Or sub the EF 35 2.0 if he's into low light or EF 85 1.8 USM if portraits are his thing.
  4. bob,
    Camera choice is a very personal, very subjective sort of thing. Which is a way of suggesting that you might be about to get yourself in a lot of hot water by making a well-intentioned but really bad decision.
    For example, was he happy with Canon, or was he thinking about switching? Did he like the APS-C format, or was he dreaming of going to 8″ × 10″ film but couldn’t work up the courage to do so?
    Rather than make the decisions for him, set him loose on a shopping spree on your dime. I wouldn’t even suggest a gift certificate, since not everybody wants to shop at the same camera stores.
    That you’re considering this suggests to me that you have a fair amount of disposable income. If that’s the case, you might want to consider taking him on a trip to New York to visit one or both of B&H and Adorama. I think that’d be the ideal solution.
  5. If he does not care about video you can get a great deal on a 40D or XSI. The 50 1.8 is considered a best value as is the 18-55 IS kit lens.
  6. Hey guys,
    Thank you again for your replies...
    Yes, I understand what you were saying about purchasing things for him that might not be exactly what he wants. We actually had a discussion about exactly that a few weeks ago...so I started digging through a bunch of his notes and found something very close to what the first two replies recommended...
    TRYING to decipher what he has written down...
    5dii (?) + kit lens/or 24-70 +100 macro L + 70- 200 f4/2.8 is (?)
    7d + 17-55 + 100 macro L+ 70-200 f4is/2.8is
    Most of the photos he made were in travel (he/we travel at least 3-4x/year), of our dogs, and people doing their daily things abroad. VERY occasionally he'd shoot my daughters sports games, but I know he felt kinda weird with his white lens out there. The biggest he's ever made was maybe 11"x14" (?) I think...
    NO aspirations of selling prints, but he was just starting to really get into it, waking up before sunrise for some "golden" minute or hour or time or something. I'd rather stay in a warm bed...Toward the end, he did however have several/many friends ask for his shots to download and print on their own.
    blahblahblah...Anyways, thanks for your suggestions.
  7. I agree with the statement that this is a personal choice. Any attempt to ask about lenses, bodies, etc on photonet elicits many different opinions. This is just a reflection that when it comes to gear everyone has different needs/wants.
    If you know what gear he had and whether he was happy with it, we would have a better chance of suggesting "best in class" equivalents.
  8. He has good taste. What he wants is expensive, what kind of budget did you have in mind? the 5D2 with a 24-70 alone will run you around $4,000
  9. :eek:) Tommy, he'd be delighted to hear what you had to say...
    I've been saving for quite a while...I figure if he can drop what he did on an engagement ring, I could reciprocate with a wedding present.
    Price isn't a big object, but like i said...am looking for best bang for the buck. Was planning on at least $5k...and hoping for less than $10k...
    I noticed him researching a ton lately, so I started to do some myself. Like I said...probably no prints larger than 12x18"(?)/ 11x14" (?).
    Puts emphasis on Boquet?/blurrrrr?
  10. bob k,
    What a wonderful thing. Anyway, for what you are suggesting his end uses, not huge prints, the second option 7d + 17-55 + 100 macro L+ 70-200 f2.8is, makes far and away the most sense. Brand new body, excellent image quality, very good auto focus (a 5D Achilles heel), better video (he might not want it now but just wait till he plays with it) better coverage of focal lengths etc etc.
    The 70-200 f2.8 IS is more flexible than the f4 version but much heavier, I own the f2.8 and don't have an issue with it but for traveling many prefer the f4.
    The 50 f1.4 is a great little lens too and would be a perfect portrait lens on a 7D.
    Hope this helps, Scott.
  11. For a serious photographer, I'd surprise him with a gift certificate , not with stuff that people on a forum recommend! You could potentially end up in an awkward situation in which the gear wasn't quite the right stuff but he wouldn't want to say anything about it.
  12. I don't think its a no brainer to go with a 7D the 5D2 has its advantages and that auto focus issue is exaggerated so often on web forums, yes the 7D is probably better but I would argue most focus issues are pilot error just like the question why is my 50 1.4 is soft wide open. But back to the point, both setups you mention will probably work well but at least for me if your going that high end I would not say take this or that. It can be a very personal choice. Maybe take him shopping and let him pick or make a little gift card that says you get 5K worth of camera gear.

    The 5D2 is better in low light, portraits and you get true focal range while the 7D will have better autofocus and faster frame rate, wireless control just to name a few points. The list is long. As to the 24-70/24-105, 70-200 F4 or 2.8, we could be here all day. Its all good stuff but what is right for some is not right for others. I would not let some random person on a forum pick for you.
  13. Why not the 5dII, the 16-35 II f2.8, 24-70 L f2.8 and the 70-200is f2.8--probably just under $9000 with great flexibility!
  14. Again thank you for all your replies...but getting back to the original question...not about me, but rather about you guys...
    "Assuming you shoot a wide array of subjects from landscape all the way to sports and portraits, what would your "best bang for the buck" set up be? Body? zooms? primes?"
  15. Me:
    7D, 70-200/4L IS, 100/2.8 Macro L IS, 50/1.4
    I'm sure of.
    (Currently use a 50D plus those lenses except the Macro which is very, very high on my wishlist.)
    After that it gets complicated.
    Probably a 500D + 50/1.8 for fun.
    (I love my 400D & 50/1.8 combo. It's so much fun in such a small package.)
    Wide zoom I'm not so sure of. Maybe an 15-85/IS. (Other contenders 17-40L for it's colors, contrast, MFD, operation and build quility or the 17-55/2.8/IS because G. Dan always says one should have it when using a crop camera...)
    Very long: I'd guess a 400/5.6 L and a 500/4 IS.
  16. Tommy,
    Low light performance and depth of field are both directly related to enlargement size. Crank the ISO and be heavy-handed with the noise reduction, and the 7D will still make great, clean, sharp prints at the sizes desktop printers print at. Similarly, being a few millimeters off focus won’t be visible at that those sizes, and the differences in depth of field won’t be noticeable, either.
    But at 24″ × 36″, assuming good glass and good technique, the 5DII will be the clear winner (though the 7D will still be quite good).
    So, unless one plans on regularly printing on a large format printer, there really isn’t any compelling reason to get the 5DII over the 7D. Similarly, unless one plans on regularly making door-sized prints, there’s no reason to go to medium format over 135, or to large format unless you’re making prints the size of barn doors. (And, of course, by “prints,” I mean something you’ll be viewing from a few inches away.)
    That’s not to say that the larger formats are a bad choice. For example, they offer much more room for cropping, and many prefer the ergonomics. And there’re those who, though they rarely print large, want the option to do so for the rare special print that deserves it. But, generally, there’s no real-world advantage to shooting with a camera larger than APS-C for the overwhelming majority of photographers.
  17. Ben If you shoot a 40D at 3200 and a 5d2 at 3200 the 5d2 will have cleaner results. Is that not better low light performance? You will also get better or more background blur at the same focal length due to the larger sensor. Again if I am wrong please explain, in real work shooting it seems to be the case.

    That being said, I don't doubt that both cameras are very capable just very different but If I had a choice I would personally take, as I did, the 5D2 since its better for portraits and in low light. I really don't need the super fast frame rate, I used to turn my 40D down to 3 fps so the 5D2 suits me just fine in that area.

    Back to the OP. My ideal setup is a 5d2 with a 24-105 ( great deal if you get the kit ) with a 50 or 85 prime and a 70-200 2.8 with a 580 EX2. I also have a 270 flash that I love for travel or in my small setup which is usually just a small prime or 2 along with the 270 flash.

    A 7D with a 17-55 2.8 would also be a great setup along with a 70-200 and a 28, 35 or 50mm prime.
  18. How about you get him the 5D MkII from his list, and 1 lens from his list. Then you can give him a little coupon he can redeem with you for any other lens, his choice. I think he would be more than thrilled.
  19. You could have him put together a Wish List on the B&H website. That way there is no guessing (or embarrassment)! The 5DII + 50mm f/1.4 makes a great statement, as well as being an excellent base to build upon. But, as some have already said, there's nothing wrong with the 7D either, it just hasn't established itself widely yet. Good Luck!
  20. I agree with the two responses above. Wish list at B+H then buy it for him. Then the surprise is when he gets it. That way he gets exactly what he wants (good communication is the key to a good marriage)
    The second option I support is get him a 5DII, and a 70-200mm 2.8IS. Then if there is more budget he can buy additional lenses. This gives him the best in class lens and a great body. This give you something to give him and he also has the ability to pick out additional lenses/flash.
  21. Tommy,
    I’m not suggesting that the 5DII won’t give better results. I am suggesting that, on an 8″ × 10″ print, you won’t be able to tell the difference. Sure, there’ll be more noise from the 7D than the 5DII, but it’ll be so minimal and so fine-grained — at that print size — that the difference is negligible.
    You have to use a printer larger than what will fit on a desktop to be able to tell the difference.
  22. All great suggestions, what ever you decide to buy, the final purchase should be an insurance policy on his gear, sorry couldn't resist. Truly a very generous gift, best of luck on your wedding.
  23. An Ebony RW45 with 90, 150 & 210 lenses from Rodenstock or Schneider. Lets stop fooling around and get serious about photography.
  24. Howdy!
    My vote is for the 7D, 17-55mm f2.8 IS, and 70-20mm f4. Then take the money you save from not buying a 5D Mk II and buy yourself a couple of plane tickets to the honeymoon of your dreams.
  25. Bruce,
    Excellent suggestion, I have to point out though that your suggestions don't really cover all the bases that the OP said her fiance likes to capture. I would be worried about capturing the travel, dogs and sports with the Ebony. You, perhaps, put a llitle too much emphasis on the landscape part :)
    bob k, don't start googleing Ebony, Bruce was having fun.
  26. I think the sentiment expressed in the OP's request is very sweet.
    I also come down on the side of thinking a shopping trip together might be a great idea.
    If it were me, I'd be waffling between the 5DmkII and the 7D... I currently have and shoot a 5D and a 50D. Given the chance, I'd jump on the 5DmkII. I liked the suggestion for the 16-35L, 24-70L, and the 70-200L lenses. My current lens pile includes a 17-40L and 24-70L and I find that a good combination.
    Hope you two enjoy a wonderful wedding, honeymoon and life together.
  27. Hee hee...
    Thanks to all of you and your sentiments on our future...
    Because it seems the fork in the road on lenses is based on which body he selects, I snuck in a question hoping to elicit some help in choosing a body for him...and his response? As expected...7d or 5dmarkii for ALL the reasons listed here there and everywhere. Each has its pros and cons.
    My question is...HOW MUCH difference in image quality can there be? How much difference is there between a good point and shoot and the tops in dslrs!? I seem to remember 3MP is good for 4x6" and it moves on up from there...
    LOL can I save $7k and buy him a g11 or whatever that thing is!?!
    But seriously...Can I or my parents or his friends tell the difference between a 12x18" from either of these cameras?
    Thanks guys. Jenn.
  28. bob k,
    People will say yes but the truth is most of the time no.
    They are both great cameras but if I were you I'd get him the 7D, you are only getting one lens that will not work on the 5D MkII so it is not a huge step if/when he gets a second body. Besdies for the uses you have said the 7D makes more sense. AND it means you know what to get him for your 1st or 2nd anniversary, the 5D MkIII (it is not due for a good while yet but if it ends up being a big 7D it will be a winner).
    12x18 prints will work fine from both cameras, there are advantages to both but they both come with dissadvantages, for your/his use the 7D is far less of a compromise.
    Take care and keep a little saved for that 5D MkIII.
  29. Bang for the buck multy task shooting combo, 7D body, 17-40L f4, 24-70L f2.8, 70-200L f2.8, 1.4 teleconverter, 50 f2.5macro (is sharper than the 50 f1.4) and a good mono-pod ($100). Bodies change about once a year with bigger and better features so next year he will want the new body what ever it is. Christmas comes but once a year. My next wife is going to be like this one ! Is there any more where you came from, Bill
  30. Oh, I forgot, a good $300 point and shoot for when he doesn't want to haul all that junk around. :), Bill
  31. I just picked up a brand new XSI w/ 18-55 IS lens from Walmart for 300.00! I was just walking by and it was sitting on the table that was marked 25% off. I simply said that's a good buy to the salesperson. He then told me that his manager just called him and said to mark them down 50%! I have no use for it but it was a great price. I already have few full frames with a 40D as my back-up to my back-up. It must be my lucky day. v/r Buffdr
  32. "...what would your "best bang for the buck" set up be? Body? zooms? primes?" - OP
    <p>5D MarkII, 17-40L f/4L, 24-105 f/4L, 70-300 IS (pretty decent optics, plus it's black ;-)), 580EX II flashgun. Primes: 50 f/1.4 and 135 f/2L. Canon G11 point & shoot for pocket-sized road-warrior ;-)
  33. Second the suggestion for a good point and shoot... keeping one in the pocket handy for 'those times' is a real plus.
    Tell the difference? It partly depends on who's looking. There are qualities of sharpness, depth of field, etc. lost on point and shoots built to serve a mass snapshot market that an SLR provides. But it's hard to beat being able to pull one from a pocket, hit the switch and shoot within a second or so as opposed to getting the DSLR out of the bag, and then point and shoot (presuming you've even got it set on P or the Green Spot).
  34. Best Bang Primes would include the 50mm 2.5 (very cheap, very sharp), the 35mm 2.0, 85mm 1.8, 100mm 2.0, 200mm 2.8 L.
  35. Best bang for the money if you do not want video 40D or 5oD with 17 to 40L, 24 to 70 L2.8 & 70 to 200L 2.8
    or 17 to 55 2.8 & 70 to 200L 2.8 Money you save on camera body goes to buying "L" glass.

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