I have PAPER FILM from 1955-63 L@@K!!

Discussion in 'Film and Processing' started by shawn_kelley, Apr 27, 2006.

  1. My father was a photographer when he was young just out of the navy. He died when
    I was just 16 but he got me started with the interest in it back in 1972 or so. But I
    really didn't get into it until college years later and I never took off with it but I have a
    bunch of boxes of old film some still sealed and some with the seal cracked open and
    inside, there is a secondary box and obviously the film. Is this old film worth anything
    to a photographer that uses old style stuff? Here is some info off the
    boxes.

    Is ANY of this stuff that was in a box in a dark closet in my basement worth anything
    or sought after by older photographers using dark rooms etc.? My Dad use to use a
    Ziess Icon camera, a Roliflex, a browning, and a Minolta among other things. The
    enlarger was fried so I trashed it years ago. I still have the Porcelain trays and the
    metal crop mat that is old. Assorted things like Kodak glass beekers, metal funnels,
    wooden tongs, etc. The photographic paper is listed below that I have. If anyone
    knows if this stuff is worth anything give me an idea what it's worth. If it's junk I'll just
    keep it, if it's worth money to a collector of old paper or if the paper is still useable
    then I'd put it on ebay. An old friend about thirty years ago looked at it and said,
    "WOW, Lance up the street would love to get his hands on that old paper." That was
    years ago. See list below. Any help from anyone would be helpful. Thanks. Email me
    at Bullschmidtaddy@hotmail.com if you know anything on the stuff below. THANKS!

    ANSCO photographic Shee Film Binghamton NY
    25 Sheets 4x5 Triple S Ortho type V class B safety base spec. no. jan-f-35 exposure
    index 100 Stock number navy e18-f-66015-725 sc 8D 22-1M
    Emulsion no. 3111-372-5

    Other Ansco box is still sealed with string type tear off still in tact.
    says 25 sheets ISOPAN Type V class A Exposure indes 50 Stock no AF 7400-282000
    Navy E18-F-67011-725 SC 8D 1100-1M
    Spec no Jan-F-35
    Emulsion number 282-469-1-j4
    Both boxes are Grey and Red with a blue band


    Koday box says 25 sheets date says on box July 1958 seal is broke but box feels full
    heavy.
    4x5 yada yada Type V class E Kodak contrast process ortho safety film
    S/N 8d6750-246-1037
    spec no. mil-f-35b


    Kodak 4x5 purchased 5-13-63
    ROYAL PAN FILM box was opened by feels mostly full has red tape on it sealing it
    closed.


    Kodak 4x5 Tri-X Safety Film Type VI--CLASS N TX523 Exposure index 200
    Spec. No Mil-F-26011 61 S/N 6750-393-9752 July 1959 Emulsion No. 542
    Yellow box Green label...

    Both seals on sides of box are NOT torn but one has freed itself. Pencil on box, with
    my fathers handwriting, Ned X Exposed with a line under it, Don't Know. Box is
    completely full. I doubt it has been used. If it has I'd want the pics back.

    Kodak TRI-X panchromatic film develope in Kodak DK-60a or DK-50 Dec 1958

    Kodak March 1957 Emulsion no 6130-239-2 Kodak INFRARED SAFETY FILM TYPE V
    CLASS K S/N 8D28-1M Exposure index 12.
    spec MIL-F-35B Feels half full.

    Kodak MAY 1959 Kodak Super Panchro-Press Film Type B 4x5 feels about 10 sheets
    in it. Less than half full. Develope with Kodak DK-60a, D-19, Dektol, or DK-50


    Lastly for the 4x5 film, Kodak INFRARED Film
    Sheet film date Nov 1953, yes I know, it's 53 years old but it feels completely full.

    Also have RED BAG with black bag inside of 8X10, have SIX bags.
    DUPONT PHOTO PRODUCTS
    Velour Black R-1 25 sheets white glossy single sheets sealed and under this it says
    Emul no. Ref Num and Use Before and these numbers. 1111 7929 2526 5-59

    There is to much info to list here so I'll go quick from here out.
    Velour Black Y-3 open but feels light
    Velour Black R-4 open feels half full
    Velour Black R-3 open and almost full
    Velour Black R-2 open feels half full
    Velour Black Y-2 open feels almost full

    One Brown Box, Kodak Photographic paper 10x10
    CHLORIDE contrast 2 Single Weight Glossy One Gross type i Emulsion 23353
    Chloride Contact Paper Printing Paper United States Army No 75-157-B Packed
    Emulsion side to back. Box is about an inch thick feels VERY heavy as in 100 sheets
    FULL but opened seals

    SIX Bags of Kodak Photogaphic paper 5x7
    KODAK Double weight
    KODABROMIDE G-3 July 1958 / 25 sheets feels half full seal opened.

    KODAK Single weight
    KODABROMIDE F-3 June 1958 / 25 sheets feels 1/4 full seal opened.

    KODAK Single weight
    KODABROMIDE F-1 Oct 1955 / 25 sheets SEALED FULL still has string tear.
    Zepp Photo Sticker still on it. Says $1.05 on it HAVE TWO SEALED ENVELOPES.

    KODAK Single weight
    KODABROMIDE E-3 May 1959 / 25 sheets feels full seal opened. Rubber stamped
    with STARK FILMS SINCE 1920 Baltimore address on outside.

    KODAK Single weight
    MEDALIST J-2 May 1957/ 25 sheets open feels half full.

    SIX BAGS of Kodak 8x10 Paper 25 sheets each. 3 Kodabromide 3 Medalist

    Kodak Kodabromide G-4 Jan 1959
    opened feels almost full.

    Kodak Kodabromide F-2 Jan 1957
    opened feels half full.

    Kodak Kodabromide F-4 May 1958
    opened feels 1/4 full.

    Kodak MEDALIST F-3 July 1959
    SEALED FULL

    Kodak MEDALIST F-2 Oct 1959
    opened but feels almost FULL

    Kodak MEDALIST F-4 Feb 1959
    opened feels half full

    ONE Sealed CAN of Kodak YES I SAID CAN like the Campbells soup can that you need
    a can opener to open, of Kodak D-76 Developer 14 ounces feels like Powder inside.
    For film and plates full emulsion speed at low ot normal contrast makes one gallon of
    solution, has film tray time and tank agitation time scale on back for panatomic X
    35mm 1:1
    Plus-X 35mm Infrared 135 and Verichrome Pan 828 TRI-X Roll and Packs
    Panatomic X Roll Infrared sheets
    Verichrome Pan Roll and Packs
    Professional Sheet and Film plates.
     
  2. It mat be worth something for display purposes but not of any use for photography. I have a whole box of Kodak cans of chemicals from the 50's and 60's I display. I actually opened one of my d-76 cans last year and it worked but I keep the rest for looks. The film would be incredible fogged and the paper useless. Medalist was a beautiful paper I have sample in my darkroom guide from Kodak. If you think the film is exposed let one of us try to develop and scan it for you. Gene M. has amazing results with film of that vintage.
     
  3. How do you fry an enlarger?

    There is nothing that can't be fixed on an enlarger even if a condenser is broken you can turn it into a diffusen enlarger for 5 bucks at the most. the stuff in the can is still good.

    Larry
     
  4. Shawn;

    These may be historically important. You may want to contact George Eastman House and let them know what you have.

    They have a huge collection of old films and papers that are used solely for display purposes.

    Ron Mowrey
     
  5. Hate to burst your bubble but all of this is totally unusable and worthless unless you can find somebody who simply wants to set them on a shelf as a display of obsolete films and papers. Everything is decades beyond its expiration date and while there are always stories of somebody developing a roll of film from 1940 or shooting on film from 1950 it would be purely a science experiment, not something anyone who try to use for important pictures. 4x5 is a standard size that is still made, and a new box of 25 sheets of Tri-X is only around $25, so there's no need to use 50-year-old film. All that said, you might want to try ebay. There are people who might like to have this sitting around museum-style. But trying to use it would be like eating a can of soup from the same era.
     
  6. In the June issue of B&W (#43) there was an article on a gentleman named Paul Messier
    who is archiving old unused photo paper - he has over 3000 samples - to reference
    unexposed papers. He wants to use his archive to help consevators, art historians and
    curators date and authenthicate important photos. In any case he may be someone you
    want to get in touch with. His info:

    pm@paulmessier.com

    617-371-6524.

    i got this info off the article.
     
  7. This is AZO paper...

    "One Brown Box, Kodak Photographic paper 10x10 CHLORIDE contrast 2 Single Weight Glossy One Gross type i Emulsion 23353 Chloride Contact Paper Printing Paper United States Army No 75-157-B Packed Emulsion side to back. Box is about an inch thick feels VERY heavy as in 100 sheets FULL but opened seals"
     
  8. I wanted to point out something, when I say the seals are broke I mean the BOX seal
    or the outter paper package. ALL the paper is inside a black paper sleeve, turned in
    upside down and put into the thick yellow paper on the outside. The small 4x5 boxes
    have the seals broke on some but not on others. I other words, all the paper is as far
    as I know, UNEXPOSED and has not seen light since my father last opened the paper
    envelopes in his basement years ago with a safelight in the dark. He use to shoot me
    and my brother and then develope in the basement.

    As to the guy that mentioned the enlarger... I say it was "FRIED" as an expression. It
    was VERY old and had not all of it's parts and was dropped once. I took it apart and
    saw the big lens were fine but a FLAT peice of UNMAGNIFIED glass as in a 1/4 inch of
    plain everyday glass was broken. I could easily have bought new glass but cutting it
    into a circle would not have worked out to well.

    Someone mentioned having it "SCANNED" to see if it's any good, I'm not sure what
    that means. I would like however to have someone test one peice of paper from
    EACH package to see if it's still any good as it just sat in my cool basement in the
    dark for the past 40 years. I never bothered with it. I recently pulled out the white
    porcelain trays with the blue band around the top edge as they are in mint condition
    and I wanted to see what they'd go for on Ebay. I didn't see any and I figure they
    aren't worth anything being vintage or not so I can't see selling them cheaply as I
    imagine either porcelain trays are either no longer available or are expensive and not
    worth selling unless they are worth anything as they ARE my Dad's and I'd hate to sell
    something that belonged to him unless it was valuable. After all, if it only brings a
    small price, why not keep it for rememberance. My father would tell me to sell it if it
    was worth a lot though.

    As to the paper, I have a 35mm SLR but I no longer develope myself and gave it up. I
    have the negative tank and a few other things and really no longer going to use them.
    I thought to sell them but they are not worth much either as well. So for pictures I
    simply go to Walmart. I know.., you all just cringed right there... GET THE PADDLES!!!
    WE JUST GOT A FLAT LINER HERE!!!
     
  9. Also wanted to point out, the ONE BROWN BOX is actually ONE GRAY Box.. sorry for
    the screwup.
     
  10. And while I'm on the subject, I have an extremely small nick on a Canon Telephoto
    lens, the skylight cracked and the glass chipped into the outter lens. Is there anyone
    that knows where to get it repolished?
     
  11. Shawn:

    What kind of minolta camera did your father have?
     
  12. Shawn, even if the paper had been frozen for for 40 years it is only worth display or sentimental value. It would have so much fog it is worthless for printing. It doesn't matter how well you store paper it goes bad. The film would also have alot of base fog but could salvage an image if exposed, as far as using the film again it would not be worth sense a box of 4x5 is 30-70 dollars brand new. The trays may go for 5-10 dollars a piece if you are lucky. Most people prefer plastic because some toners can react violently to trays if there are any chips in the porcelain even if so small you can not see them.

    I know this isn't what you want to hear but either keep it for sentimental reasons, donate it to a museum if they want it or sell it for a few bucks on ebay. The Shipping will be more than your share if you go that route.
     
  13. post photos somewhere.

    and how long an exposure time do you think some of these papers would need to produce an image. doesnt matter if its fogged to hell... how long?
     
  14. Might want to think about a very early use for old film, which was detecting radiation. Now, it's back in vogue since better than some modern high-tech equipment. Check out the pioneering work of Rutherford. Hope this helps. I just bought some old Ansco for my own research purposes; not cheap.
     
  15. Are all these people who are calling the paper "worthless" joking? It won't be able to give you a standard photographic print, but it is in no way "worthless". That is one of the most ignorant statements I have heard regarding photographic supplies. I have a whole fridge full of paper dating back to the 40s and it all prints. It depends on the exact paper, of course. Some is unmatched for lith printing, some is just the ticket for a certain straight print. The worst I have got with all of this crazy old paper (stored in a hot storage shed in Southern California, no less) is about three stops worth or fog.
     
  16. three stops-worth "of fog", nor "or fog". Also, I meant to say that the way it has been affected by age and its printing characteristics depend on the exact paper, not simply "it depends on the exact paper".
     

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