How do you tell a memory card is bad?

Discussion in 'Mirrorless Digital Cameras' started by randy_york, May 10, 2006.

  1. I was talking to a friend of mine about my 4gig flash card that I put in my D200. H stated that he only uses 1 gig and below during a wedding and just switches in case one goes bad you don't loose the whole wedding. This sounds like a good idea, however, his explanation of when you can tell a memory card is bad seamed to baffle me. He said that you can see black dots in you pictures, which represents bad sectors on your memory card. Has anyone ever heard of this happening? Seams to me, if a sector in the memory card is bad, the whole file that used the sector would be corrupt and unusable. Randy
  2. It could be true. The cheap memory chip doesn't have the bit for parity checking, so the camera won't know there was an error.
  3. Randy, to tell if a memory card has bad blocks or not is actually more difficult than it looks like at first sight... First of all the flash-memory is not even manufactored error-free. (Typically 1% to 3% of the capacity is dead from beginning). (So, from this perspective, no flash card is error-free at all). Next is, that flash memory allows only a certain typical number of write-cycles. When a flash memory block becomes bad while writing it, the flash controller will assign a reserve block (from a location that is reserved for such blocks) and will not tell anything to the outside. You will notice an error in 2 circumstances: 1) There is no more reserve-space available when another block dies while writing...since no reserve block can be assigned, the flash controller will have to send an error-state to the outside. 2) When a flash-block dies while reading, the controller cannot just assign a reserve block and continue ... since a reserve block wouldn't contain the data of the original block. The visability of a dead block as black pixels in a picture is unlikely to say the least. If a block is dead, an amount of x times 512 bytes cannot be read in ... that's certainly more than just a few pixels missing then. The flash-blocks do not have parity bits (to my knowledge), but they use block-crc's and have therefore the same ability to detect errors. A successfull read in of a corrupted block is very unlikely to happen without being detected by the flash controller. Rainer PS: What I occasionally do with my 1Gig CF cards is, to fill them completely up with data, and format them afterwords. Should there have been dead block on it, they would have been remapped now (since there was write-access to those cells).
  4. This is my understanding... These cards use error detection and correction coding so they can still read and write correctly, even if some of the memory cells are bad. In addition to that, they spread the writes over the whole card, so one section of memory is not used all the time. In addition to that, they have some spare memory segments so they can remap bad segments of memory if one area stops working. If you get bad sectors on your card, the above scheme is failing and your card is not suitable for further use. There are various bits of software you can use like Lexar ImageRescue or the disk scanning stuff that comes with windows to check. Normally, however, what happens is that the filesystem written to the card has some sort of error - like when you pull the card out of the camera while it is still writing to it, or it runs out of power. In this case, there is not a hardware fault with the card, but the filesystem and files written to it may not make a lot of sense. In this case you can often recover your images using image recovery software.
  5. "What I occasionally do with my 1Gig CF cards is, to fill them completely up with data, and format them afterwords. Should there have been dead block on it, they would have been remapped now (since there was write-access to those cells)." Rainer-do you delete the pictures first then format the card or just format without deleting? thanks, cb
  6. @Charles, "do you delete the pictures first then format the card or just format without deleting?" Depends on what your target is. Normally one wants to reuse a card, after all pictures have been copied to PC (or other storage). In this case I reformat it in the camera. Since the cameras format will only overwrite the allocation tables this is fast, and it doesn't involve many writes. Deleting the pictures is more cumbersome in this regard. Each deletition means, that the corresponding directory needs to be rewritten and the allocation table needs to be updated. (A good Operatingsystem might help and keep those writes in a cache). So in theorie it's better to format, since less writes are involved. In practise (as CI P has pointed out) there is a sort of wear- distribution. Without this, the FATs (allocation tables) would the first be to become unaccessable, since writes to them are quite common. (And number of writes to a block is limited). But since there is a mechanism that cares for all blocks being used roughly the same number of times, I doubt that there is a real gain in formatting "in camera" without deleting the pictures first ... except of two things: 1) It's very fast. 2) The camera writes exactly the type of filesystem it understands. (FAT16 vs. FAT32, 1 FAT vs. 2 FAT, Clustersize, etc). What I usually don't do is deleting single files "in-camera" except in the case that I urgently need the space. Deleting single files will leave gaps in between the other files. Of corse the camera will fill those gaps, but you introduce fragmentation into your CF card. Not that fragmentation itself is something evil, but in the case your battery goes down before the camera finished a lengthy write access to the card, the filesystem is eventually left corrupted. In such a case the chance to recover your images is much higher if they where not fragmented. If I want to give a card away and want to make sure nothing is on it or can be recovered from it, I would fill the complete card with junk-data. Formatting alone, or deletition of all files is certainly not good enough in that case ... More than one lucky fellow wrote that he/she was able to recover pictures from some recent event, and some much older pictures turned up as well. Rainer
  7. Randy, your gut reaction to "black dots on the pictures represents bad sectors" is right. A bad block in the file will create something more like this image from
    The SanDisk spec cited above lists 1,000,000 hours MTBF. The Wikipedia article on flash memory lists 10,000 to 1,000,000 erase cycles. At one reformat a day, that's at least 30 years.
    So if you have a name brand card, don't worry.
    In the scenario where a block in an FAT or a folder info entry is corrupted, your camera will become unable to see any files on the card. But because the image files will be mostly contiguous, a tool like PhotoRescue will have a high recovery rate.
  8. That message about "undisplayable photo attachment" doesn't have anything to do with the image. Something about the way I uploaded the file must have caused it to barf.

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