david_khoo Posted November 12, 1998 Share Posted November 12, 1998 Hi to one and all at Nature Photography!! Thanks for all the answers with regards to using the 300/4IS as a "macro lens". I have decided to go with the 500D option! Anyway here's a new situation i'm trying to overcome. Wasps are very interesting subject(usually quite colorful)! But the darn thing just will not stop crawling when it lands(and it crawls quite fast). This means that using a tripod is out. Unlike dragonflies(usually prefers one resting twig), i can not predict its movement to take a calculated movement point of focus as it's is quite directionless. AI Servo focusing is out because af sucks in macro and this makes handholding quite difficult!!(having to mf on a fast crawling wasp) any advise out there?!?!?!? Warmest regards David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan___1 Posted November 12, 1998 Share Posted November 12, 1998 Hi David, <p> I like your interest. You jump from one subject to another like a jack rabbit;) But seriously, if I were to shoot a wasp, I would probably use a 200mm marco lens to keep the distance(don't want a sting for no reason). I would not rule out a tripod as I may want to prefocus on a particular area and wait for the subject to be in focus. Handholding is possible but I would prefer using a 105mm macro instead. However, if you want to shoot a wasp in flight, I would advise you to bring plenty of films and pray for good luck. Your best bet is still to wait for it to land at an anticipated area(flower, hive, etc)and then shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobatkins Posted November 12, 1998 Share Posted November 12, 1998 Use flash. Maybe a couple of small strobes on a bracket. Set thefocus distance and focus by moving the camera back and forth. Thisis pretty standard for subjects like butterflies or any small critterthat won't stay still for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian_mani Posted November 12, 1998 Share Posted November 12, 1998 Ok, I may take some flack for this one, but how about using some sticky fly paper with some sweet bait on it? Failing that, small flashes on a bracket with arms left and right would be the best bet. <p> regards, <p> Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelsea Posted November 12, 1998 Share Posted November 12, 1998 How about NOT using sticky paper.....how about learning the habits of insects first. If the wasp gets her feet stuck, she will understandly struggle around trying to get free. Her unnatural posture will ruin your "natural" shot. <p> Insects are affected by low pressure weather, tend to move around more quickly. During these times, put down the camera and pick up the fishing pole... On hot, hazy afternoons, they tend to be more docile. Move slowly, don't provoke. If you have enough confidence, you can even let them crawl on you. Fear and panic puts out odors in your skin that they can smell. I just saw a nature show demonstrating how the carbon dioxide in your breath sets off killer bees, perhaps try not to breathe directly on the wasp. <p> Try putting a tiny bead of molasses or corn syrup or other sweet sticky substance in an inconspicuous place, or right in the middle of a flower, you may be able to catch them eating. Find a nest, set up your setting nearby (but not too close to make the hive feel threatened). When they find a source of food, they keep coming back. <p> The main thing is to have PATIENCE. Find some flowers or dead wood that they will be eating from or stripping wood from to make paper for their nests. Don't stick the camera right in their face right away, move in after a few minutes; let them get used to you. Sometimes the lens of the camera looks like the huge eye of a predator and they take off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_watson Posted November 12, 1998 Share Posted November 12, 1998 Have you ever had an allergic reaction to wasp or bee stings? If you can safely catch a few without maiming them, put the wasps in a closed jar in the fridge until they're sluggish--15-20 minutes ,or so,should do. Take 'em outside for their "shoot," and they'll fly off when they come to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_kolwicz Posted November 12, 1998 Share Posted November 12, 1998 For shots on the ground or other substrate, Rose-Marie's bait idea sounds like the best bet to me. Some wasps are meat eaters, so put out some sweets and some bits of meat. It may take a while (possibly days) for them to find your bait, so patience is always needed. When you see them attracted to the bait, set up your image area near the bait (a place where they land or take-off, perhaps) and preset your camera on that area. Move slowly and take your time; watch a few, checking your framing and focus, then start your photography. <p> If you want flight shots reliably, you'll have to set up some kind of controlled flight path to a bait that brings the insects into the image frame and focus. A tube or box of some sort could restrict their flight path to where you want it. Install the restrictor after they have found the bait to save time waiting for them to arrive. Crossed infrared or other shutter tripping devices would help make your images more accurate or maybe even possible. <p> Good luck <p> Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m._huber Posted November 12, 1998 Share Posted November 12, 1998 This is such an interesting project that I'm going to throw out a few ideas which may or may not work. First, I would find the time of day when they slow down some. I would say early morning, but someone else who seems to know the wasps better, suggests afternoon. Watch and find out for youself. I would use the old standby, peanut butter, mixed with hamburger. Keep us infomed. Keep lots of notes. Even if you don't get the pictures you want this time, you are bound to learn a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin_hall Posted November 12, 1998 Share Posted November 12, 1998 David, Study your subject a little bit. I don't know if you live in the United States but I'm guessing that you might not. If you are in the US there are many good field guides to help you do this - if not I don't know what field guides might be out there for your part of the world, but I would look into to it. Here's the reason - there two basic groups that you may catagorize wasps into: solitary and social. A good example of social wasps are hornets(yellow jackets). Much like honey bees they are very social insects in that they form colonies(hives). Due to their social nature they are usually very aggressive and easily provoked. The other catagory of solitary wasps are represented by spiderwasps, mud-daubbing wasps, and burrowing wasps. As the name implies, these are less social in their behavior and also less aggressive. In most cases you will really have to antagonize these wasps to provoke them - they are much more approachable and you may take your mind off of being stung allowing you to concentrate on capturing those movements. Good luck..... Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick_ginkowski Posted November 12, 1998 Share Posted November 12, 1998 Very, very carefully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve chandler Posted November 13, 1998 Share Posted November 13, 1998 You might try capturing a number of wasps and let them sit in the refrigerator for a few minutes to slow down their metabolisim. This will give you time to select a setting and get your equipment set up. then you can place the wasp in the selected natural setting and begin photographing them. They will warm up quickly so you will only be able to get a few shots off before they warm up and come looking for trouble. Anyway BE CAREFUL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_khoo Posted November 13, 1998 Author Share Posted November 13, 1998 Hi!! - Thanks for all the advice for wasp photography. i will be 'shooting wasp the coming week and will let you all know if i was successful or not. - wish me luck! Ps: Christian -The sticky fly paper is out, but it is an idea though! Kevin - Borrowed a book on insects that has a section on bees and wasp. It is an American publication about insects in the US,hopefully the info on wasp in the US is somewhat the same here in Singapore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_smith Posted November 15, 1998 Share Posted November 15, 1998 First, dump the refrigerator idea. It doesn't help the wasps & the experts can tell cooled animals way easier than most think. Learn the behavior and use that as a guide as to the times to shoot. If you really have problems, set up a complete environment for them around your shooting preferences, one that completely mimics where they normally live. Then shoot that way. A friend did a major documentary on leaf cutter bees and found afer renting a controlled greenhouse facility that wild bees didn't like his camera & didn't feed normally when it, he or any assistants were in the area. So he did what he could, he got larvae and raised a completely new colony in the Greenhouse and photographed them during the entire life cycle, including bringing in freshly cut food for them as well as raising successive crops so they would have good food while keeping some groups further along than others so he would have a number of stages of the life cycle going at the same time. This way he could shoot behavior & process the film & if the images weren't first rate he had another group coming along shortly to fine tune the images. <p> It is work, but accurate behavioral shots do take time anyway. With some you can do it all in the field and with others you have to make a mini-habitat out of your basement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_buckles Posted November 19, 1998 Share Posted November 19, 1998 I suggest you check out Steve Hoffman's web site for some of the best damn wasp photos I've ever seen. He also list his e-mail address there and does answer his mail. His address is: http://www.niftywebs.com/photoweb/ Good Luck, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_khoo Posted November 20, 1998 Author Share Posted November 20, 1998 Hi to one and all - Thanks for all the advice, and new ones too!! Well here is what happen after four days on the project. Day one - tried the baiting idea with sweet stuff. I photographed every other, sweet tooth insect....but no wasp! Day two - managed to bait a wasp right infront of my lens with just one problem...It was a HUGE WASP(i think it is...)about two inches in length, all black with an orange band on its back. I decided to myself that i was not going to put my face, 12 - 14 inches from it. Day three - tried the fridge idea. caught two wasp by putting sweet stuff in jars. All was going fine till my wife open the fridge door and......(leave the rest to your imagination). Day four found a small colony of paper wasps(I think it is by matched the pic on a book i borrowed)on hanging on a small plant at the back of my house. Hope the pics turned out alright! regards david Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meikel Posted November 25, 1998 Share Posted November 25, 1998 Hi David, I am a researcher specialized in tropical ecology and have been photographing wasps and spiders over the last 6 years in Brazil, Mexico, Uganda, Indonesia, Zaire and Europe. I have even published a few shots in european magazines, thus the quality of my shots can`t be too bad.From my experiences, also from travelling and working with my colleague and friend, who is an entomologist in a german museum, I can only warmly recommend the suggestions Kevin Hall already made. I just wanted to add, putting animals in some extremely adverse environment (fridges) is surely not very professional and doesn4t give you the satisfaction of a pleasing natural result, the same applies to my mind to using baits.I had never problems with wasps, even with the state-building species when moving slowly and approaching very carefully. I even photographed hornets in France from a distance of 25 cm from their hive in an old tree, being used by some as a landing platform when they returned with prey. Never got stung, though.My set-up consist of three different lenses. I mostly use a 100mm macro, two flashes, one from above (artif. sun) one from the front (light up shadows). It is adviseable to choose two stronger flashes (GN of 30 in metres), first to have faster recovery time, second because very short lightning like 1/10000 sec. doesn't exist in nature and therefore doesn4t bother the wasps. This set-up is quite good for the calmer solitary wasps.For the faster hive-building species, use a 200 (180) mm macro with one flash (strong) from above. I obtained quite pleasing results with fill-flash also. position your tripod close to the hive, walk slowly, might take up to 20 min. to approach, once your there, you have plenty of shooting opportunities and time. Or use a 100-300 zoom (or the like) with a close-up lens (like Nikon 5T or Canon 500D)with flash also but without a tripod.The latter is more for action shots, like shooting parasitic species with prey.After you have spotted a wasp, take time to watch her a bit, than after you got her scheme of moving, approach with preset magnification and the set-up ready. move your body slowly till you got her in focus, than release the shutter. I seldom fail with this method. I have an archive now of about 2500 wasp images and never got stung, actually wasp are quite friendly people, to my view.yoursmichael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donald_haarmann Posted December 16, 1998 Share Posted December 16, 1998 If you want to photograph "Yellow Jackets" and Bold Face Hornets both are atracted to sugar. Either in solid form or as a solution. You can add vegetable dye to sugar water to improve the photo quality of the background. Float a small piece of wood or some such in a container as a landing platform. <p> In the fall when food is scarce I have used a ring flash attached to a 55mm lens on a bellows without bothering them -- or them ME! <p> It will take a few days before they discover your gift.. then their numbers increase daily. <p> Sugar also attracts flies. Which you can "swat" and feed to the yellow jackets. Pick a good spot and "crazy glue" the flies down so they cannot quickly picked up and carried off by the "yellow jackets."They remove the flies wings and head before carying them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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