mike_w.1 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 I took a bunch of pictures of my daughter the other day, and some cameout beautiful - especially after I had done some cropping andretouching. But... I don't know what to do with some of them. Thisone is a good example. How can I fix the water so that it looks lessswamplike? (I know the framing is a bit off - but I've got a bunchmore with this same nasty water.) How about something more Caribbean?<BR><BR><img src="http://www.bellesphotography.com/images/Review/Lake.jpg"><BR><BR>Thanks everybody! Oh, and just in case it helps, I'm using Photoshopversion 8.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik scanhancer Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Mike, to me the whole picture looks off. I have tried to balance it to what must have been the original colors. As you can see the water still looks green but that would be normal under the cirumstances: green trees reflecting in the water and also a lot of algae in the water itself, which is probably how it looked in reality. But maybe you are not interested in reality and want to create a fairy tale? In that case you could replace all elements of the scene at will. Cut out your daughter along her outer boundaries and the lines of the ledge she's sitting on and she could even be beautiful in the Himalaya's when you paste a magnificent view behind her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasma181 Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Here is my crude attempt using the lasso tool in Photoshop Elements 3.0 .<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik scanhancer Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 How about this? Sun breaking through over your daughter on a misty day in Holland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_w.1 Posted February 5, 2006 Author Share Posted February 5, 2006 Eric: Okay... well, I'm not necessarily looking for utter fidelity to the original colors if that's what you mean. Here in West Texas everything is pretty much brown. Dead grass, dead trees, muddy water... you get the idea. I thought it would be nice if there was a way in Photoshop to rework the water to a more appealing - yet natural - look. Call it a fantasy, call it art, call it Photoshop trickery... whatever. I'm pretty much a novice (but learning fast) at Photoshop. I thought it was a chance to learn a little more about the potential from you guys that have been doing it for years. Robert: At least it doesn't look like Swamp-Thing may be lurking behind her anymore. It does make me want to rethink this whole West Texas thing too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennisprice Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Mike: try selecting the water using a combination of contiguous magic wand and lasso, then create a new adjustment layer, either color balance, hue/saturation, or curves, depending on what you are more familiar with. Then you can adjust the water color to your hearts content without affecting the rest of the picture.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 not quite the color it should be....but hue/sat, turned the hue till I got what I wanted. This will color the whole pic....don't worry. Then click ok. Then in the history click back to your previous step in the long rectangle part, then click on your hue conversion in the little box to the left. I history brush icon will pop up in there then. Then click the history brush option in the tool box. Set a relatively small brush with a very wide feather to it. Then take your cursor, which will now be a cirle the size of your brush, and holding donw the alt key paint in the water. I also screwed around with curves to get things there and else where where it looked better.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_dzambic Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 Globally took out about -7 red in Colour Balance in the highlights. Then selected the water and played around with Selective Colour, mainly the Neutrals and a bit in the Yellows. Lastly selected the trees and bridge and took out about another -5 in the red highlights. Then gave them a -2 shift in Hue in the Hue/Saturation box.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_dzambic Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 One more with a bit more saturation....<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 of course, the best solution is probably to not shoot with water in the background. In southern NJ we have "cedar water"...looks like brown tea. Unless the sun is shining exactly at the right angle to light up the brown so it glows.......I avoid it as a background like the plague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_w.1 Posted February 5, 2006 Author Share Posted February 5, 2006 Thanks everybody! I have a lot to play with... Photoshop is incredible, but I feel like I'll never be able to master half of what's possible. I appreciate everyone's feedback. I'll just have to keep trolling the boards and picking up tips here and there... and who knows, maybe one day I'll give up on the whole thing and just move to Holland ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bressane Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 hey mike. is this what you are looking for? bressane | <a href=http://www.pixelretouch.com target=_blank>www.pixelretouch.com</a><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_fouche Posted February 5, 2006 Share Posted February 5, 2006 The photo's white balance is way off. Easily fixed using adjustment layer of either curves or levels and then using the three eydropper tools to set the shadow, highlight, and midpoint neutrals. Here's my quick attempt.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_Lookingbill Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Assign CIERGB, apply neutral eyedropper in curves to different areas of the white fence to your satisfaction, apply about -15 saturation in Hue/Saturation tool, convert to sRGB. Here's my result: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van_camper Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Try another approach, lasso the background and desaturate completely, then add back some sepia to the background which would go nice with the face. The logic is if the background doesn't work very well, then try for another approach altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean de merchant httpw Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 The color balance is fine. Warm and yellow is how low angled sunlight really looks on a clear day. I rather dislike the auto levels route to color correction as light is rarely white. Instead, it is often slightly blue, slightly yellow, and etcetera. The warm light of early mornings and late afternoons feels so good on the eyes. It definitely beats givng a sickly blue cast to the shadows. That said, I would suggest filling a layer with green (these are not blue waters to my eyes), setting the blending mode to hue, and then painting on the hue using a layer mask. A variant is included. enjoy, Sean<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim_Lookingbill Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 There's some detail I left about the options settings in curve dialog box that influences the neutral eyedropper tool. I also came up with a richer version in AdobeRGB that preserves luminance and left more precise instructions I wrote in the linked image: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kahheng Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Erik clearly has the best idea! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt hedgecoe Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Mike, To my eyes the reds are far too high in the image. Open levels (CTRL+L) and start adjusting! Firstly, this is a far simpler way of going about things and secondly, it will give a far more natural look rather than painting the water bright blue. You can always make a few duplicate layers and adjust each individually, (e.g. you may want to up the blues a bit more in the water while keeping a slightly warmer look to your daughter) and then combine the various parts of these afterwards. Obviously everyone will have a slightly different opinion of what looks 'right', at the end of the day it is what you are happy with! Matt<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill_tuthill Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Interesting that 8-9 of 12 corrections show different-color water to the left and right of the porch-post, which to my eye looks worse than the original. Kudos to Frank Dzambic for not doing this, although I prefer Bill Fouche's version otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will_hammond Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Convert to LAB mode and add an adjustment layer of curves. Invert the "B" channel in the curves dialog box (What was blue is now yellow, what was yellow is now blue). Click Ok. Since you are now working in the layer mask of the adjustment layer, paint with black to hide the effect. Flatten and convert back to RGB. Furhter questions drop me a note. Will Adobe CTT Photoshop<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emre Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 That's clever, Will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 lAB & selective colour - That's a new one for me Will. Many thanks<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacob_barss_bailey Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I agree that the white balanace is a little off. But I looks like you are starting from a pretty murky little pond, so that won't fix everything. Its not perfect, but here's my 5 minute attempt. First, I moved the white balance a little away from red. I have a blue-gray gradient color blended into the water (with mid opacity), a blue-green filter (again, with a lower opacity) color blended over the entire image (but with your daughter and the rest of the foreground masked out) to simulate reflectance from the now blue-ish water. I might have toyed with the saturation level of the water after that. Its all pretty subtle, but if you start attempting to create turquoise pools, you are going to spend the rest of your life simulating reflectance in the rest of the image, else its just going to look fake. Instead be happy that you have a normal pond instead of a green swamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_sullivan Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 actually bill, the water is a different shade of brown in the original post on each side of her, so I left it. I do however completely admit that my choice of blue sucks....Mike can adjust that to taste...I was really just showing a use of painting with a history brush. Definitely less destructive than the lasso, magic wand scenarios. One question I do have though, seeing as Emre showed up.....is my histogram brush method more, less, or the same as doing the same basic thing in layers/brush painting. I've seen comments on the web that both are actually about the same as far as image degradation goes. anyone know for sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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