How did Raptars get their name?

Discussion in 'Classic Manual Cameras' started by tim o'brien, May 19, 2004.

  1. A simple Trivia Question.

    How or why did Wollensak name their lens line "Raptar"?

    Correct answer on Friday.

    tim in san jose
     
  2. One Correct Answer is kind of uninspring. How about the Top Ten answers as to why did Wollensak name their lens line "Raptar"?

    My nomination for the #10 position: Sounds better than Ratpar.
     
  3. "uninspiring"...sorry.
     
  4. No. 9??? -- Sounds better than "Predator"
     
  5. Great idea. I'll compile a list of these as they come in.

    tim in san jose
     
  6. The the older Wollensak's are Velostigmats; which is an anastigmat that is fast. The later Wollensak's are Raptars; which rhymes with Ektar; Tessar; Xenar; Baltar; etc.

    RAPTAR means abduct in Spanish.

    The Faster "Raptar" abducts light; that slower lenses miss.
    .........This is what a Spanish speaking photographer told me decades ago...

    Raptar is a trade name of Wollensak; it was made to rhyme with other lens makers lenses; that ended in ar..
     
  7. 8: The term 'Hip-Hop' wasn't coined yet.
     
  8. In the actual production process, Wollensak would take the raw glass
    and "wrap" it in a tar and straw mixture which drew out the surface
    impurities before glass was cut and eventually ground to the lens particular specifications, the wraping in tar and straw was simplified
    to "Raptar" and thus this wonderful lens was named.
     
  9. Andrew Wollensak had a German Shepherd named "Raptor", and specified that the new lens should be named after his dog, similar to the Leica "Hektor" lens.

    When the first production run came back from the factory, all the lenses had been labelled "Raptar" by mistake, because of a transcription error. The lenses were sent to the distributors anyway, and the name stuck. Wollensak never corrected the error in subsequent production runs.
     
  10. “Raptar” is really a corruption of “rapped hard”. The early cells were not well made, and they had to whack the glass to get the elements to sit right.
     
  11. Because Zeiss already had Sonnar, Tessar, Protar, and more; Leitz had Hektor, Elmar, Summitar, & Telyt (how did that get in there?); Schneider had Xenar, Radionar, etc. All the good names were used up and someone saw a hawk chasing a duck so . . . . . .
     
  12. Maybe we should have a contest to decide what the real reason is...
     
  13. "Wrapped Tar" another name for cigarettes ? oh well ! pc
     
  14. r s

    r s

    #X: Wollensak wanted to re-brand the line in the mid 40's and came up with a competition for a name change. Raptar was submitted by a German engineer who actually worked for them - and won.
     
  15. because it was Rapture to work with them?
     
  16. Most of these are really funny and some are close to the truth.

    Tomorrow. I promise.


    tim in san jose
     
  17. From Velociraptor (fast).
     
  18. #7 The Mooar name was already taken by someone who manage to grind a meniscus lens out the bottom of milk bottle.
     
  19. Top 10 answers!

    #10 In the actual production process, Wollensak would take the raw glass and "wrap" it in a tar and straw mixture which drew out the surface impurities before glass was cut and eventually ground to the lens particular specifications, the wraping in tar and straw was simplified to "Raptar" and thus this wonderful lens was named.

    #9 Because it was Rapture to work with them.

    #8 “Raptar” is really a corruption of “rapped hard”. The early cells were not well made, and they had to whack the glass to get the elements to sit right.

    #7 Andrew Wollensak had a German Shepherd named "Raptor", and specified that the new lens should be named after his dog, similar to the Leica "Hektor" lens. When the first production run came back from the factory, all the lenses had been labelled "Raptar" by mistake, because of a transcription error. The lenses were sent to the distributors anyway, and the name stuck. Wollensak never corrected the error in subsequent production runs.

    #6 Sounds better than "Predator".

    #5 The Mooar name was already taken by someone who manage to grind a meniscus lens out the bottom of milk bottle.

    #4 From Velociraptor (fast).

    #3 RAPTAR means abduct in Spanish. The Faster "Raptar" abducts light; that slower lenses miss. .........This is what a Spanish speaking photographer told me decades ago...

    #2 Because Zeiss already had Sonnar, Tessar, Protar, and more; Leitz had Hektor, Elmar, Summitar, & Telyt (how did that get in there?); Schneider had Xenar, Radionar, etc. All the good names were used up and someone saw a hawk chasing a duck so . . . . . .

    #1 Sounds better than Ratpar.

    Now the real reason...

    Richard Silfverberg came close. There was a contest held in 1945 and 1946 to "name the NEW Wollensak lens". The winner was not an engineer working for Wollensak but a man named Templin R. Licklider, head of the English Department at Cranbrook School, Bloomfield, MI. I would assume Mr. Licklider was a photographer as well. His prize in 1946 was $1000 dollars, a nice piece of change in the post war era. Mr Licklider passed away in 1998.

    Second prize went to Mr. P.W. Glaser of L.A. for "Colotar".

    Well done.


    tim in san jose
     
  20. "Raptar" is definitely better than "Licklitar."
     
  21. I just realized the disturbing similarity in sound between lens names and pokemon.
     
  22. And all along, I thought it was because they were designed by some old buzzard. Oh well ---
     
  23. r s

    r s

    Darn, I was close :)

    Thanks for the trivia!
     
  24. There is another man named Licklider too; a Internet founder; with a protocol named after him . (LTP) Licklider Transmission Protocol.<BR><BR>"Temp" published the Alumni magazine at Cranbrook; he was there for 1/2 a century...head of the English dept...His brother taught at Princeton
     
  25. This prep school is a wonderful place to visit, with sculpture by the famous Norwegian, Milles. It is in Bloomfield Hills, MI, about nine miles north of the Detroit city limits. They had a great camera club as I remember. (In those days almost everyone there used Leicas or Rolleis.) They also have one of the finest collections of mesoamerica in their renowned museum. Definitely a fine place to visit!
     
  26. Kelly,

    You seem to know a fair amount about Cranbrook, and perhaps Mr. Licklider himself? I have done some searches on him, his family was from Shepardstown WV, dating back to when it was Shepardstown VA. This almost qualifies as local history as I grew up in Carroll County MD, a half hour away. Mr. Licklider was born down in the tidewater of Virginia and seems to have done a fair amount of moving around as he got his various degrees. As you would expect, his correspondence was well formed and he seemed to be an articulate person. There is nothing about his photography experience but I should assume he had some interest in our art.


    tim in san jose
     
  27. Tim here is a LICKLIDER family history link; maybe one you already read!

    I added the map; because the art museum and institute of science are interesting to vist. I grew up about 3 miles from Cranbrook; it was a passion to vist there as a child; and absorb all the cool wonders. I'm the kid that would not leave; even when the placed closed; all the lights turned out; parents of school teacher; or Cranbrook person trying to locate me! My first vist there was in Kindergarden; on a field trip. On my next trip I bought a Galena Crystal at the Museums store; which leaded to making a crystal radio. My dad got the head phones from Johnson and Smith in Detroit; a novety store; now located maybe in Florida. The displays of optical devices; prisms; UV making rocks glow; astronomy; Planetarium at Cranbrook sparked my life-long interest in Optics in First Grade. This accelerated by interest in my brownie format (120) and 127 cameras; getting a camera with "time exposure"; by breaking/fixing the stock shutter.

    There are several Cranbrook schools in the world; I added the map; so non USA visters would know it is the one in Michigan. There is a school named Cranbrook in Kent; UK

    There is a school named Cranbrook in Sydney, Australia

    Cranbrook Schools in Michigan is named after the Detroit News publisher's ancient roots in England. George Booth bought farmland on the west side of Woodward Ave; in Bloomfield Hills; and developed the school. Cranbrook is about less than a mile north of 16 mile road (Quarton/W Big Beaver Rd) on Woodward Ave; at Lone Pine Rd.
     
  28. Hello,
    now is a wrong way. The name raptar is mixed from Velo(stigmat) and raptor= Veloraptar.
    The Velopraptor is a very bad dinosaurer and is an acteur in movie
    "Jurassicpark"
     
  29. To go even farther afield, a friend once owned a 1951 Plymouth Cranbrook 2dr. sedan. Not till long after the car was gone did I ever hear of the Cranbrook school. But I did know part of the "Raptar" story, courtesy of a bound volume of 1945 "Popular Photography" magazines.
     
  30. Great question Tim. What I would like to know is how the Optars got their name (Optars are Raptars re-branded for Graphlex)?

    And, I do not know the answer.
     
  31. I had a lens made from the bottom of a Coke bottle. Originally they were cast with the location of the bottler, but this one said "Open Other End!"
     

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