Highest image quality point and shoot digital camera.

Discussion in 'Mirrorless Digital Cameras' started by seismiccwave, Sep 3, 2007.

  1. I am looking for a professional quality image from a point and shoot digital camera. Cost is not an issue
    if I can find one.

    I understand that so call "professional quality" is very subjective and difficult to quantify. So let's set
    some baseline to help my search. I would consider a good photo from a Canon 5D and a good lens to
    be professional quality. Nice and sharp, perfectly exposured, no motion blur, crispy contrast etc.

    I have a Canon 5D with two zoom lens that covers from 17 mm to 200 mm. I also have a fixed focal
    length at 20 mm. Unfortunately the Canon 5d system is very heavy.

    My main niche is low altitude aerial photographs for rich land/house/mansion/estates owners, realtors,
    etc. to visualize the layout of their real estates from a higher vantage point then 6 feet from the
    ground.

    So I take the camera system up in the air with various equipment. I will use 50 collapsible poles,
    telecopic winch operated poles, pneumatically actuated poles. I also have a 45' derrick with 14 ton of
    lift that I can extend the reach. I have a 65' bucket truck that I can go up on the bucket to take the
    pictures.

    The one area that most intrigue my client is when I use a little radio control helicopter to fly up 200 feet
    and take the pictures. The electric helicopter is the least obtrusive in a expensive neighborhood.

    The bottomline is that my payload is very limited. The Canon Rebel 400D XTi and the plastic kit lens is
    about all I can carry right now. Unfortunately the kit lens won't give me the quality of picture that I
    need.

    So I need some on in the know to point me to a few directions. I have done a bit of reading and realize
    that some point and shoots are not bad. Something like the Canon A640 is a good one. I did take it up
    with an electronic switch and it is working fine so far. I also tried the Leica D-Lux 3 but I have to
    operate the shutter with a mechanical servo. Over all result is not bad but not quite what I like.

    I have read about the Sony DSC R1 and seen pictures from the camera. Unfortunately the camera is
    replaced by the Sony Alpha DSLR which is again too heavy for me.

    I have heard about the Canon G7 or G9 but have not personally used them. I have read about the
    Olympus 8080 but never seen one. Also the Fuji S5900? I don't have any experience with them.

    So instead of buying one of each to try which can run up the bill pretty fast. I am here to ask the
    experienced user about what do you feel is a very good point and shoot.

    I don't need mega zoom. Wide angle is best from the air. I don't even use the autofocus. I just leave it at
    manual focus at infinity. I do like to shoot continuous. I don't use flash in the air. Shutter priority is a
    must because of the movement and vibration.

    Raw format can be useful but not absolutely necessary.

    Something less than 12 ounces will be real nice.

    So I shall thank all of you in advance for helping my confusion.
     
  2. Why not put a light prime lens on the cannon rebel instead of the kit. That will give you much better image quality.
     
  3. Good luck. When you find the holy grail, do come back and tell us.
     
  4. You have an ELECTRIC R/C heli which can carry a Digital Rebel? Which one? Tell me please! :) As for your question, for web viewing I think the Fuji Finepix should be the best as it has in-camera shake-stabilization which. Your heli seems to be pretty powerful so you could even get the Pentax SLR with one of the slow lenses, like the pancake; I assume you'd be shooting at f11 anyways.

    I don't know how crowded the area you're in is (rich areas tend to have larger plots), but a 4-foot R/C plane should be able to carry any SLR payload with a lens.
     
  5. What you are looking for doesn't exist yet. The first will show up in the form of the Sigma
    DP-1 (http://www.sigma-dp1.com). None of the P&S cameras currently can compare with the
    output of a 5D... period. It's simply a matter of sensor size.
     
  6. if such a camera truly existed why would people continue to carry around their K100s and EOS SLR's all day
     
  7. Never used the Leica D-LUX 3, but it's probably closest to what you want.
     
  8. P&S will make 5x7 to 8x10 prints because the sensor is so small. You start to ge high noise
    at iso 200 and by 800 it is junk.

    Canon G7 or G9 for JPEG+raw are the best P&S is you are happy with a 35mm equivalent
    lens.

    Honestly the camera does not exist that will go what a D5 will do in a small p&s size.
     
  9. Have a look at the Ricoh GR digital. It weighs 170g, has a fixed wide angle lens and gives an 8.5MP image. It is derived from the old film Ricoh GR1 which pros sometimes used as a walkaround camera.
     
  10. << ... look at the Ricoh GR digital ... >>

    Or if you need a wider lens and/or zoom capability (24 - 72mm equiv vs. the fixed 28mm equiv on the GR-D), there is also the Ricoh GX100.
     
  11. Like Rick, I'm a skeptic. I want to know which electric RC helicopter can carry a digital rebel. Post pics please. Otherwise this post seems kind of bogus ("i don't use flash in the air"). Last I checked real estate pics were on the small size, don't need great megapixels...
     
  12. Given that the 5D is a full frame camera, NO point and shoot will even get to the same neighborhood for image quality. But if you are shooting from a shaky platform with a kit lens, you aren't getting close anyway, so why worry. Get a P&S that fits the load requirements, and don't worry much about image quality because you can't get there from here.

    <Chas>
     
  13. Try the 35/2.0 lens on the rebel.
     
  14. Thank you for all your answers. I am getting old. I was just going to post the exact same
    question today and realised my question has many answers. It is refreshing to see so many
    good answers. I am not well versed in this forum and for one I am not seeing all your
    answers while replying back. So I have to rely on my memory from reading your posts.

    1) Yes I am looking for the holy grail and yes I will be glad to let you know if I even find it.

    2) Yes, I did lift my Rebel 300D with the kit lens. I didn't take any picture with the Rebel
    because I didn't have the electronics all hooked up to fire the camera.

    3) The heli was a Trex 600 with a Kontronik Tango motor and a Thunder Power 6S (22.2V)
    5000 mah pack. No, the flight time was not very long. Probably 3 to 4 minutes at the
    most.

    4) I am also building a Maxi Joker 2 and this should lift at least 4 pounds of camera gear.
    The battery along will be over $800.

    5) The Leica D-Lux 3 is really not bad.

    6) I am still impressed with the Canon A640.

    7) I am checking out the Ricoh GX-100. Unfortunately DPReview is not very encouraging
    on the image quality.

    8) I understand that the 5D has a much bigger sensor than most point and shoot.

    9) I also see that the Sony R1 had a fairly large sensor. Too bad the camera has been
    discontinued.

    10) I have an email to B & H to notify me once the G9 is available. I would like to try to use
    that in RAW mode.

    11) I have not try any Fuji Finepix. Is there any recommendation on the model?

    12) Once I get my pictures sorted out I will upload a few samples in my gallery. Feel free to
    look and let me know if you think the image quality can get any better.

    13) I am manually setting the shutter speed to 1/500 because that seems to yield the
    shapest picture with the vibration.

    14) I also set the focus to infinity so there is no auto focus lag.

    15) I also turned off image stabilising because the frequency of the vibration in a model
    aircraft is different.

    16) A fix wing can carry up a DSLR but the landing strip length is critical. Wing loading will
    be pretty high and most houses don't have a ready made landing strip.

    17) I like the field of view 28 mm equivalent of the Leica D-Lux 3.

    18) Yes, I have been looking for a nice, light, fast prime lens for the Canon 350D body. I
    found that when there are not a lot of prime lens available for the Rebel series. I do have a
    24 mm EF lens for the 5D but that would be equal to a much longer lens in the Rebel.

    19) The memory in my brain just ran out of room.;-)
     
  15. I am getting a little better in using this site: >>if such a camera truly existed why would people continue to carry around their K100s and EOS SLR's all day>I want to know which electric RC helicopter can carry a digital rebel. >Last I checked real estate pics were on the small size, don't need great megapixels...>Try the 35/2.0 lens on the rebel. 00MYa7-38506784.jpg
     
  16. This is the helicopter that lifted the Rebel 300D and the kit lens.
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  17. Cute mini chopper.
    ~
    The 14-megapixel Cannon G9 would be a wise idea.
    Best
    Ethan
     
  18. Yes, I finally found my holy grail. It is the Sigma DP-1.
     
  19. Glad to hear it! The Foveon sensor is really great. I judge image quality by zooming, paying close attention to 200% and higher at the pixel level. Lots of images by professional photographers fall apart at 200%. I won't name any names. Foveon images usually hold up well at 200% and greater zoom.
     

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