Help identify this Kodak film?

Hi all, I recently got gifted a bunch of old film stuff including a lot of expired film. There is a film canister that was wrapped tight with insulation tape and the tape has unfortunately eaten away the film label. Based on the other stuff I got I guess it could be Ektachrome, but hoping someone can help me identify this. These films are all 1969/1970 vintage, so pretty old. Thanks in advance! Matt.

 

 

The green label and the 200 Feet has thrown me but other members may know the identity of the film

 

I found two links and totally guessing all the way, I've posted three films at the bottom which came from the second link after checking "24" in the first link and finding film number 5224. They are 400ASA, one is 16mm, the other two perhaps 35mm

 

Please take all this with a grain of salt, I cant be sure of anything I've posted here relates to your film

 

https://evertz.com/resources/FilmID.pdf

 

Kodak Film Number to Film Type Cross Reference Table — Tom Philo Photography

 

5224

 

Eastman 4-X Negative Pan Film. 16mm = 7224. DL EI 500, Tungsten EI 400. 1964-1990.

 

5224 EASTMAN 4-X Negative 5224 4XN B/W

5224 EASTMAN 4-X Negative 5224 4XN D/W

The green label and the 200 Feet has thrown me but other members may know the identity of the film

 

I found two links and totally guessing all the way, I've posted three films at the bottom which came from the second link after checking "24" in the first link and finding film number 5224. They are 400ASA, one is 16mm, the other two perhaps 35mm

 

Hi, thanks so much for the links - made for some interesting reading and rabbit-holing. Taking another look at the canister, I only just noticed the film type is also printed on the side. Duh. Looks like it is an old reel of Double X. Which means you were basically correct with your ID - they're both part of the same product line evidently:

 

Eastman Tri-X negative was 5233. The introduction of Double X was not to particularly replace Tri-x it was a part of a change to the product line. 4X negative 5224 was introduced in 1964 to give a range of speeds with Plus-X 4231/5231 80 ASA, the slowest, then Double-X 5222, 250 ASA and finally 4X 5224 500 ASA which was the high speed film.

 

I'm not sure it matters what film it was. It's so old it's almost certainly useless for any other purpose than a quick 'experiment' to see how bad it's got.

 

Can you not wet the bit of label stuck to the tape and reverse-read what's printed on it?

 

My guess, FWIW, would have been that it's ancient B&W movie film.

 

Likewise for the Ektachrome. Basically, what you've got are some museum exhibits in particularly poor condition. I suspect they're E3 or E4 process that isn't available anymore, even if the film itself was in useable condition.

 

The Kodacolor-X also needs the obsolete C-22 process.

Double X predates me but the internet says it was created in 1959 as a cinema film? But it was a black and white film but too old to be included in my Kodak processing guide books, you can find it here Massive Dev Chart Film Development, Film Developing Database. Are you going to try to use it? If so, post what happens. You could always use a bulk loader to wind the film in there and more easily parcel out the film into 35mm rolls. I saw one place online that is doing that for fresher versions of the film. Cool.

I'm not sure it matters what film it was. It's so old it's almost certainly useless for any other purpose than a quick 'experiment' to see how bad it's got.

 

Can you not wet the bit of label stuck to the tape and reverse-read what's printed on it?

 

My guess, FWIW, would have been that it's ancient B&W movie film.

 

Likewise for the Ektachrome. Basically, what you've got are some museum exhibits in particularly poor condition. I suspect they're E3 or E4 process that isn't available anymore, even if the film itself was in useable condition.

 

The Kodacolor-X also needs the obsolete C-22 process.

 

Interesting info on the Ektachrome and Kodacolor - thanks! I'm hoping to visit my local darkroom specialist this week and will take it along and see what he has to say. I have a feeling it will look weird so more of an experiment than anything.

 

Double X predates me but the internet says it was created in 1959 as a cinema film? But it was a black and white film but too old to be included in my Kodak processing guide books, you can find it here Massive Dev Chart Film Development, Film Developing Database. Are you going to try to use it? If so, post what happens. You could always use a bulk loader to wind the film in there and more easily parcel out the film into 35mm rolls. I saw one place online that is doing that for fresher versions of the film. Cool.

 

I actually shot a roll of Double X last week that I got from London and it came out really nicely. It is a motion picture film that had been respooled for stills cameras. So I'm quite glad to now find out that this is 5222. I'll post some pics from this roll when I get to it.

 

I also fired off the 50 year old Ilford FP4 that the old uncle gave me using his 50 year old Canon FTb and I thought I'd get nothing but it actually came out ok-ish:

 

I also fired off the 50 year old Ilford FP4

 

Must have been frozen all that time, the pics look great. Do you live in a cold climate ?

Not especially, no. I live in South Africa. Low humidity, but not too cold. As far as I know none of this was in the fridge. I think the bulk loader is filled with FP4 from back then too, so will have more of that stock to try out. Interesting stuff!

The main result of age on film, if you're lucky enough to avoid fungus spots and 'vinegaring' of the base, is to increase base fog, increase grain, and to decrease speed.

 

Personally, I'd find those variables just acceptable for testing an old camera or doing a quick lens test; but for preserving precious memories or serious pictorial use? No thanks!

 

I really can't see the point in being that penny-pinching that I'd risk a worthwhile picture on near-worthless film.

I hear you on the risk element but I'm really just shooting these films for the fun of it. The film is there, why not shoot it? If it works then that’s cool, and if it doesn’t then that’s no problem either. It’s the process that I enjoy :)

You might get results like this unintended lomo shot from your Ektachrome.

 

Expired film home processed in chemicals far too old

 

Happy accidents :) That's a great shot! I really like the colours.

A few years ago, there was an E2 kit on eBay. I bid low, and didn't get it.