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Glossy/Semi-Gloss vs. Matte for Epson 2200


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Hi Folks:

I know this is a well worn subject in this forum, but I did a search

and found what appeared to be many informative and thoughtful

threads. However, I found many contradictions between the

threads. Mainly in the area of using glossy and semi-glossy

papers with a pigment based printer like the 2200. Some

threads, like....

http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=004Yju

 

....speak of "bronzing" when attempting to use glossy papers

with the 2200 and recommend trading off longevity for the glossy

look obtainable with regular ink epson printers. I have also read

that official Epson papers are the best route with this machine.

Other threads I found.......

http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=004y3

w.......speak well of glossy papers with the 2200, such as

Pictorico glossy film, one of the glossiest around. Of course all

of these discussions assumed that the correct "black" or "matte

black" inks were employed.

 

Can we clarify this issue a bit more? I am considering

purchasing a 2200 for some portfolio production. For some

work, gloss or semi is desired, while for other work, matte is

required. I presently use a 3000 with epson normal inks. My

understanding is that the 2200 is way ahead of the 3000 in its

ability to deliver a more continuous tone because of smaller dot

size and greater dot density. For those who already own 2200's,

any recommendations on dealers. Also, the printer dimensions.

Thanks.........Michael

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Epson semigloss or better still, luster, and Epson enhance matte are wonderful with the 2200. I use them about equally depending on the subject matter. Glossy papers, in my experience, just do not work will with pigmented inks. It is possible to tweak the ink config setting in the Epson driver to eliminate most of the bronzing (-10 if memory serves)but I still do not find that it has a pleasing look.
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The footprint of the printer is 13x25 inches, with the paper tray leaning back another

8 inches or so...

 

Although the matte finish is very nice, I find that for 'photo-realistic' images the

glossy finish works just as well. I can't say I find the bronzing effects objectionable,

but that may be just me.

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Stay away from the Epson Glossy papers with the 2200. Print with the Epson Premium Semigloss paper or better yet, try the Red River UltraPro Satin 62lb paper. It is about half the price, and prints as well if not better (if no custom profile, print as semigloss, and set ink density to -10). If you are printing for a portfolio, and want matte surface, try Epson Velvet Fine Art paper, using the matte black ink. Its awesome. If you really want glossy, and I mean really glossy (with no bronzing), print on Pictorico Hi-GLoss White <u>Film</u>. Its like Fujiflex for ink jet printers. Amazing stuff, but its not paper based (either acetate or polyester, like Fujiflex).
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Thanks all! These are great responses...and not too

technical...Thanks! I can see that there is subjectivity involved in

what is acceptable and what is not (just like in the chemical

world of printing, I'm more used to.) One man's mistake is

another man's triumph. Gene feels that the bronzing that occurs

on many glossy papers with pigment inks can be mitigated with

some density adjustments, but still does not suit his needs.

While Patrick is OK with a little bronzing; I'll have to find out for

myself. I am quite interested in doing some of my fine art work in

an "Iris Print" look on the matte materials. I've already been

experimenting with this on my Epson 3000 on Lumijet soft

suede. I'm surprised to hear from Arnie that the Pictorico White

Film is OK with the 2200 and pigment inks. I've heard reports of

"dusting" of the ink off the surface. That is currently a favorite of

mine for "official" commercial portfolio pages and promos and it

looks great coming out of the 3000 with regular old Epson stock

inks. Perhaps I should keep the 3000 on line for that kind of

work and use the 2200 with the matte black ink cartridge

installed for fine art endeavors....that's really where I want to

push ahead in digital printing. It will be nice to have print

longevity somewhat assured in my color work.....finally!

 

What has been your experience purchasing the 2200: any good

honest dealers out there with good prices (I'm in USA)? Also:

what about switching from matte black to normal black ink

cartridge? I've heard differing reports on what's involved with

making this change.

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I just saw the 2200 for sale at Newegg.com - ends up being $611 with an instant rebate (applied when placed in your cart) and free fed-ex shipping. That's the cheapest I've found it. I've ordered computer hardware - processors, video cards, motherboards, etc. - from Newegg before and they've always been good.
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There is a fairly comprehensive review of different papers for use with the 2200 at

this website:

http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/printers/epson_media.htm

 

They also recommend Pictorico high gloss film. I have not used this paper yet, so I

can not give you any personal experience (I plan to try it soon).

 

I used to have an Epson 1280, and now mostly use a 2200. The 2200's two primary

advantages are the archival qualities and the 2 shades of black, allowing better

shades and better black & white prints. If you want really shiny color prints (you

know, that cibachrome look), then you are actually better off with the Epson 1280.

The prints will not be as archival, but the 1280 makes a much nicer shiny color print

using Epson Premium Glossy Photo paper. For matte papers or the fine art Velvet

(nice stuff!!) the 2200 is a better printer. I am guessing that for portfolio

production work, archival qualities are not as critical. A 1280 print on Premium

Glossy will last 10-15 years, which might be sufficient for that type of use. If you

want to hang it on a wall and keep it for 50 years, then a 2200 print is a must.

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