Fuji stops black and white... :(

Discussion in 'Film and Processing' started by iosif_astrukov, Apr 8, 2018.

  1. Across was my favourite film recently, over all for its wonderful reciprocity characteristics (I like long exposure).
    I will never buy fuji product again (except slide film, untill it will be sold, bit I have a bad feeling....) nor I will recomend to anyone; infortunatly last year my dad bought an X30 base on ny recomnendation :-(
  2. Pretty easy to grasp. 5% growth year over year. If a company states their growth has been 5% a year for years...you wouldn’t understand? Like I said...this has been pointed out to you numerous times. For some reason, you can’t seem to grasp what everyone else does. As such, it may be best for you to remain silent.
  3. I guess it's also meaningless when Kodak-when reintroducing a film stock last month-said " “Darkroom photography is making a comeback, and B&W Film sales are clearly on a positive trajectory. "
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  4. Please...5% above WHAT? That's what makes the much-touted 5% meaningful--or not. Neither Ilford or Kodak is willing to provide those numbers to anyone other than VCs or banks. You're simply being evasive and dismissive because you can't quantify anything. All reminiscent of the magical thinking around APUG when Kodak bellied-up in 2012.
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  6. A bigger concern to me is will slide film continue. I hope Kodak Ektachrome becomes a reality. Hopefully Velvia will continue. While I hate to lose any film at least we have more then one source of black and white film.
  7. Actually what makes the figure meaningful is the availability of the film.
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  8. Ektachrome is likely to arrive. If Fuji's gonna kill off their E-6 films, then it will be even more likely. But what's the point of slides nowadays? They get scanned and digitalized, right? And if one wants punchy colors, they go for Ektar which is C-41, much less hassle and lower price than E-6.
  9. Aside from the fact that I'm one of those weirdos who does still project slides sometimes, I see them as having another benefit. Specifically, when scanning, there's the "what you see is what you get" aspect of them.

    I will be REALLY upset if Velvia goes away...I don't know if the 100 rolls of 35mm and 50 rolls of 120 I've bought in the past few months will make much of a dent, but at least I'm trying. All I know is that my local lab has been VERY happy with the amount of E6 I've brought them.

    Everything I've read indicates that Kodak is going for what is more or less an E100G replacement. I shot a decent amount of it back in the day, and it's a nice and fine grained but very "sterile" film. I've often called it "the most digital-like film I've ever used." I wish that they'd bring back E100GX, which was the "warm" version of E100G and looked more natural to my eyes. I doubt that demand will allow them to make both, at least initially, which probably means that I'll go straight for an 81C instead of either no filter or an 81A.
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  10. I also like to project slides. It is a different experience than other methods of enjoying photography,
  11. Slides consistently give me accurate renditions of colors and tones as my eyes and mind record them.
    When I compare them to prints they remain accurate for much longer periods of time. I also think they are remarkably compatible with digitization.
  12. James Bryant - indeed

    I also still shoot slides

    Projecting gives incredible joy to all and the best way to appreciate them

    Scanning is quite a problem sometimes, but nowadays you can use Nikon ES-1 (or similar) to re-shoot them and the results are better
    Hope that Nikon will release soon the new one - ES-2, which is still not on the market

    My major concern is developing, as already for 10 years the machines here are dead and they do it with jobo's and the results are not very consistent

    But maybe he best feeling is that you make something completed, final, incredibly looking, and etc.... and it also brings me the feeling of a document - something that recently is quite disgraced of the today's photography

    As for Ektachrome - my favourite was the VS one, but let's wee what Kodak will bring back
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  13. I was never particularly fond of VS-it did what it was advertised(vivid, saturated colors) but it was still plagued with the "Ektachrome blues." I much prefer the "Fujichrome Greens" of Velvia, along with the subtle yellow warming that the original, recreated 50, and 100(but not 100F) have.

    In all honesty, I liked(and still like) Elite Chrome as a good all around transparency film with no particular bias. In all honesty, to me a "perfect" slide film would be something with the grain and smoothness of E100G along with the color rendition of Elite Chrome. We ALMOST have that in Provia :) (RDPIII) but there again it has the Fuji green bias. I actually have quite a lot of Elite Chrome still frozen, but as I've watched its color shift over the past 10+ years, I tend to grab fresh Provia instead when I need just a good general purpose slide film.
  14. AJG


    The Fuji transparency I miss the most is Astia--I always found the color rendition to be the most accurate of any slide film that I ever used. This is obviously subjective, but the painters whose work I photographed liked the slides I shot with it.
  15. I still have a ton of E-6 films in my film freezer. I also still use my projector and really love how 6x6 slides look when projected.

    What Im more worried about, more than will fuji continue to make film, is that if I buy even more than the film i currently have is whether I will be able to get the chemicals to develop them as I do it myself. Im not sure that the chems will have the lifespan that frozen film will have. could turn out to be like a lot of people who had kodachrome film after the last way to develop them was stopped.
  16. When I first took an interest in photography, I tried a LOT of films that I figured had a limited time left(this was ~2005) but Astia was one of those that I never got around to trying. I regret not doing that. My local camera store didn't stock it, and at the time as a high school and college student I pretty much was stuck buying one roll at a time and didn't have the money to bulk order like I do now.

    I check for some on Ebay occasionally, but never see any that I feel good about paying the price being asked.

    Perhaps I should post a WTB here :)
  17. Black and white films are easier to make, and so I expect easier to get a production line running, or keep one running.

    Connecting prices to film isn't so obvious, though.

    Most recently, I bought T-Max P3200, Delta 3200, and Portra 160, one roll each.
    (I can always go back and buy more.)

    But I remember specifically noticing that the Portra 160 was the cheapest of the three.
  18. Look how many films we used to have... and options...

    I remember shooting a lot of Sensia at the beginning... it was also a nice film

    Provia is kind of neutral as colors
  19. I would speculate that both BW films are more "specific" ones, with high sensitivity, non-traditional grain and a bit whimsical while developing. If anyone need anything with high sensitivity, pushable and pullable, they will certainly pay 10+ dollars for either Delta or P3200 (although Kodak is a bit cheaper to my bliss).

    As for Portra 160, I'm a bit confused as well, it sells for 6.5-7.5$ while Portra 400 goes for around 8$.
  20. The only Pro level negs from Fuji that I know of are Pro 160 series and Pro 400H series. I've never used 160 and considering current prices, I don't think I ever will. On the other hand, I used Pro 400H, it's not a bad film, but in my opinion it does nothing that would justify 10$ price tag and would make me choose it over Portra 400.

    The rest of C-41 from Fuji were quite frankly cheap consumer films.

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