arjun_mehra Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 To your knowledge, does frequent freezing, defrosting, and re-freezing of a roll of film do any damage to it? I ask because I usually place my film in the freezer shortly after getting it home from the store, and, sometimes, I defrost it thinking I'll use it in a few days, only to find that I won't, after which I throw it right back into the freezer; oh, hell, sometimes, a roll of film in my hands will go through four or five such freeze/defrost/re-freeze cycles. Do you suppose this is all right? Also, am I wrong in thinking it's fine to freeze a roll of film that's been exposed, perhaps because I know it won't be developed for a while? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yann1 Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 There shouldn't be any problem as long as the film is free from condensation IMO. I also do this myself without any problem so far. No idea about the second question, but I usually put exposed film in a dry box, it's best to keep an exposed film away from air as it fogs it. But even if you leave an exposed film for a month, there shouldn't be any problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrydressler Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 I have never had a problem refreezing as long as it is in the can or the foil. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_appleyard Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 I've frozen exposed film many times without problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skygzr Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Since water freezes at 0C, we assume that everything else does. There's no water in film, and it doesn't freeze (crystallize or otherwise change state at moderately low temperatures). All it really does is get cold. You can go out and shoot at -20C, and the film will be much more comfortable than you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjun_mehra Posted September 4, 2007 Author Share Posted September 4, 2007 How do we prevent condensation from messing things up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_shively Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Condensation should not be a factor as long as the film is still factory sealed. It probably wouldn't be a factor if you sealed prevously opened film in Ziplocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank.schifano Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 "How do we prevent condensation from messing things up?" Easy. Don't open the package until it has warmed up to room temperature. This can take a few hours. On the other side, don't place an open package of film back into the freezer. Ziplock bags work ok. Plastic wrap may be a little better. Vacuum sealed bags are the best. Do I bother with all that? No. Once I've refrigerated my film, it stays there until I'm ready to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dweezil Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 I don't do it. What I do is that I keep my film in the freezer and take out a few rolls in the fridge. From there they move to my pack a normal temperature, this routine frees me from having to watch out for condensation. So once out the fride they don't get in there unless I don't have a second roll to develop a that time. So at most it's 2 to 3 weeks out of the fridge before it gets developed. But I never refreeze. Erwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobmichaels Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Kevin Bourque said it all "There's no water in film, and it doesn't freeze (crystallize or otherwise change state at moderately low temperatures). All it really does is get cold." Just don't introduce humid air (i.e. water) into the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjun_mehra Posted September 4, 2007 Author Share Posted September 4, 2007 Does "don't take the film out of its packaging" mean "don't take it out of the box" or "don't take it out of the plastic canister"? If it means the canister, we're good; if it means the box, we're screwed. :'/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank.schifano Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 The canister. The cardboard box offers no protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulr Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Tri-x and Plus-x Freeze thaw, thaw freeze. Developed, undeveloped. I've done it all. No ill effects that I can recall. Um, that sort of rhymes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjun_mehra Posted September 5, 2007 Author Share Posted September 5, 2007 Thanks. Off-topic: I love Kodak's (and Ilford's, I suppose) film canisters (as opposed to Fujifilm's): light-proof and fun to pop on anf off (though Fuji's are also fun to pop). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terence_spross1 Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 If your relative humidity isn't anywhere near 100% you should be alright placing exposed film back in the canister and then back in the freezer. But when taking the exposed film out of the freezer you must allow as slow warm up before opening to avoid condensation as you would new film coming out of the freezer. The only damage I've ever had is with film coming out of a cold (as in camera bag coming out of the car in a deep freeze) and opening the camera immediately to change rolls. Condensation all over the camera and cloth shutter probably didn't do the camera any good either. Film tended to stick to itself when later put on the reel. The film still came out but with occational blotches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_r._fulton_jr. Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 I keep my Tri-X and Tmax 3200 in the freezer. I thaw and use as needed. After exposure it goes BACK in the freezer until it's processed. I have a backlog of of about 400 exposed rolls going back to 2004. (Yeah, I'm behind). No problems with the Tri-X. I've stopped doing that with the Tmax 3200 and shoot & process it promptly (within about four months). After about four years in the freezer it shows some slight add'l fog base. No problems with Tri-X. BTW, the Tri-X goes back in the factory plastic can after it's exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulr Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 John.......400 rolls? Oahhaaahaa. I thought I had problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonpg Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 I keep 1/2 my film in the fridge and the other half in the freezer. If I need o use frozen film, I take it from the freezer and leave it overnight in the fridge, then take it with me the next day making sure I do not open the foil or cannister until it is at room temperature. Works fine for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjun_mehra Posted September 13, 2007 Author Share Posted September 13, 2007 Why not just leave the frozen film on the counter over-night; that way, come morning, it's ready to be popped into your camera? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carl_neilson Posted September 14, 2007 Share Posted September 14, 2007 That's exactly what I do; leave it on the counter overnight, that is. If I have enough forethought I move it from the freezer to the fridge one night, and then from the fridge to the counter the next night before using it. That's probably overkill though. I have had no ill effects from thawing and refreezing sealed film multiple times. I've also had no ill effects from re-refrigerating or refreezing partially used films that have had their factory seals broken (obviously). I try to keep them as airtight as I can in plastic bags. Although there's no doubt that once the seal has been broken any moisture in the air is also inside the film canister too, in practical terms it has never caused any problems for me. When I want to finish them off or get them processed I use the same overnight-on-the-counter slow warmup technique, leaving the film inside the plastic bag and hoping that any condensation that forms will be on the outside of the bag and not on the film inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arjun_mehra Posted September 17, 2007 Author Share Posted September 17, 2007 Thanks, Carl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon_ian_stalker Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 First gelatin is already well below it's freezing point. You are goin to run into trouble at the other and of the temperature scale, but daytime temperatures of 80 centigrade will probalbly have killed the photographer before the gelatin melts! Refreezing is OK as long as moisture is excluded. You can use silica-gel as a drying agent in a ziplock bag to be sure, but to cause problems the moisture would need to penetrate to the film. With 120 rolfilm this is unlikely but 35mm might be at some slight risk. The most risky time is just after removal of the film from the deep-freeze. That's when condensation is most likely to form on the cold surface. To completely warm through I would leave it at least 24 hours in the sealed package before developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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