liljuddakalilknyttphotogra Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Yes I'm excited. My very first Nikon was a black Nikon FM. I had two of them & both were stolen - - one out of my apartment while I was taking my dog for a walk (they removed the window somehow...) & the second one on a plane while traveling with my then four month old daughter. Mother-in-law was in charge of my camera, but she forgot it on the plane & I didn't realize it until the next day. Anyhow, last night on eBay I decided to buy a mint FM & I'm excited about it. I've even bought an eyepiece for it. Now, I really want it primarily for nostalgic reasons & I have a 50mm f/1.2 for it. But it's a great camera & I have some film for prints. So I'd like to pick up one more lens. I'm thinking maybe a 24, 28 or 35mm - - but do I have to buy a MF lens? I'm presuming I can get a AF lens so I can use it with the other cameras as well (N90s, D200 & D300). Am I lost or correct in this? To those celebrating Thanksgiving Happy Thanksgiving Lil :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_bradtke Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 As long as it is not a G type lens you should be fine. I use lots of AF lenses on my F3 with no problems. I use them on my F too but I have to stop down meter with the F because they do not have the meter coupling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pge Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 But maybe you would want to take this opportunity to explore some older ai/ais glass anyways. I have 7 of them that I use on my d200, they are inexpensive and some of them are amazing. Maybe try a 105mm f2.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oskar_ojala Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 You can get AF, but a well-made manual focus lens would be nice to use on a manual body. Those wide AF Nikkors are a bit flimsy and not that precise for manual focusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald_moravec1 Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 second Phil Evans. I don`t own a full frame zoom for my D700. My pick would be a Ai or later 105 2.5 and a 35 pick your speed. The AF lenses are not made nearly as well, but if/when you go digital, they auto focus. For now stick with Ai or AiS. My 105 2.5 Ai cost $100 at a camera show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljuddakalilknyttphotogra Posted November 27, 2008 Author Share Posted November 27, 2008 Thanks Michael, Phil, Oscar & Ronald. I'm bidding on a 105mm f/2.5 AiS on eBay right now. Found a few & especially one I like the looks of. I like the old Ai & AiS lenses - one of the reasons I got the 50mm f/1.2 - - & they work well with the D200 & D300 as well. I will look for a 35mm as well.... Thanks Lil :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photo_galleries Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Get an AI/AIS lens. While an AF lens will work, manually focusing an AF lens is not quite the same experience. Get a 24mm/2.8 (AI has longer focus throw than the AIS) or a 28mm/2.8 AIS (NOT the AI) On the longer end, get the 105mm/2.5 AI/AIS. My Nikon SLR kit: FM3A, 24/2.8 AIS, ZF 50/1.4 and 105/2.5. I also have an FM2N and 50/1.4 AI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljuddakalilknyttphotogra Posted November 27, 2008 Author Share Posted November 27, 2008 Thanks Keith, I'm now actively looking for a 24mm f/2.8 as well. Lil :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesBecker-Toronto Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 I had the 24mm f2.8 AIS when I had an FE2 and it was a great lens; you are certain to like it. regards, cb :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jose_angel Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 I hate to use AF lenses with MF cameras. The 24/2.8AF focus ring has a not-so-good feel in comparison with MF versions, but usable. What is really ugly is the aperture ring. Don`t try it. I agree with Keith: from the 24s, my favourite is the Ai version. Sadly, althought seems to share optics with the AFD, performance is not the same. Perhaps older coatings, dust or whatever; my Ai sample is a bit softer. On the Ai, that longer throw is great for prefocused shots. Check the clear coloured DoF marks. Also, the Ai black paint will match the FM paint, thought. Some later AiS versions have a different texture (I`m sorry, I`m a freak, I know). If 24 is too wide or want a better performer, I`d go for the 28/2.8, AiS version. Optics are different.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astral Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 I would not even consider putting an AF lens on a manual focus camera except for a few zooms or "special" lenses. The focussing mechanism of an AF lens is far too sloppy, the focus throw is often very short, the focus ring is usually too thin and they just don't feel right. Get an AI or AIS lens - I'm certain you will be much happier than using any AF lens. Don't worry too much about buying AIS versions rather than AI, except for the 28mm f2.8. This is optically better than the AI-only, but the difference between AI & AIS matters much less for most other Nikkor prime lenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljuddakalilknyttphotogra Posted November 27, 2008 Author Share Posted November 27, 2008 Thanks Charles & Jose, I'm now actively looking for a 24mm Ai or AiS f/2.8 & a 28mm AiS - - we'll see which it becomes... Lil :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljuddakalilknyttphotogra Posted November 27, 2008 Author Share Posted November 27, 2008 Thanks Alan, since my first lens from Nikon was an AiS lens - those are what I want to this day. I will get either the 24 or the 28mm AiS & a 105mm f/2.5 for it. Those will be fun on the other cameras as well. Thanks Lil :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david_l3 Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 24mm AI or AIS and 28mm AIS are winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_momary Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Lil Judd - With regard to the 28mm AIS - make sure it's the one that focuses to 0.2 meters, not 0.3. See Bjorn Rorslet's page. http://www.naturfotograf.com/index2_PC.html ... there are sig. differences. ... It is the sharpest lens I own, bar none. [ poor amateur here :-) ] I use it on my D200 and Nikon F4s all the time. I also procured the 35mm AIS 1.4, and concur that it needs to be at 2.8 or 4.0 to be a razor, esp on the D200 for some reason. Soon I hope to get an FM2n and have some fun, it's been too long since my F2 died, RIP. Happy selection! Jim M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owen_omeara Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Lil: I think I may have a 24mm f/2.8 that i can part with. Let me know id you are interested. It would go well with the camera you are getting. -Owen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photo5 Posted November 27, 2008 Share Posted November 27, 2008 Strangely enough, my 28mm f2.8 AIS isn't as "sharp" as my Tamron 17-35mm f2.8-4 is. I'll do more testing, but so far the Tamron beats it on my D700. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnw63 Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Lil, When my brother talked me into getting my first SLR and two lenses, I got an FG, a 75-150mm E and a 35mm f2.0 AF. I still have all of them. The 35mm ( non D ) is just fine to focus with a manual camera. It doesn't quite feel like the other AIS lenses I have, but there is no reason so avoid it at all. It has a shorter throw, but that means getting in focus faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljuddakalilknyttphotogra Posted November 28, 2008 Author Share Posted November 28, 2008 Sorry for getting back to you all - Thanksgiving got in the way :-) Thanks for the feedback David, Jim, Owen, Dave & John. I appreciate your comments. Jim, I will make sure I check Bjorn Rorslet's page on the lenses. Owen - - I'll get in contact with you. Dave - - interesting comment on the Tamron vs Nikon. Sounds unusual. John - - thanks for the suggestions. More research to do... Thanks - - and to all who celebrate Thanksgiving - - Happy Thanksgiving from me to you Lil :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilly_w Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Careful there, you're on a slippery slope with all this talk of going 'retro'...you may soon be on the prowl for the esteemed F2AS...in black, of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljuddakalilknyttphotogra Posted November 28, 2008 Author Share Posted November 28, 2008 Lilly, I just checked - - there's a mint one on eBay right now. :-) Actually the one I'd want is the Gold Plated FM which must have been made for the present Swedish king - - his logo is on it. But it's not like I have almost $ 6,000 for that. :-) No - I'll be happy with a minty black FM Lil :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jose_angel Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Althought it has been mentioned many times, to the best of my knowledge there isn`t a 28/2.8AiS version who focus close to 0.3meters... never. There is <b>only one version</b>, who focus close up to 0.2. The ones who focus up to 0.3 are the previous <b>Ai and K</b> and and later <b>AF</b> versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liljuddakalilknyttphotogra Posted November 28, 2008 Author Share Posted November 28, 2008 Jose - from my research on Roland Vink's page I've found out the same the Ai, K, E & AF all focus at 0.3 meter - however the AF D version focuses at 0.25 meter Thanks for reminding me of this. Lil :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dieter Schaefer Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 Congratulations Lil. Of all the manual focus lenses I owned over the years, I kept the 20/4 AI, the 28/2.8 AIS, a 50/1.8 and the 105/2.5 and I wish I had kept the 200/4 AI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dweezil Posted November 28, 2008 Share Posted November 28, 2008 A nice and cheap alternative might be the Nikon-E 28/f2.8 I know that the E series are not seen as the greatest lenses but look what Bjorn Rorslet's site has to say about it. It's a decent lens and it weights next to nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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