Ernemann Bob 1... Can anyone help with date and some other details?

Discussion in 'Classic Manual Cameras' started by jonathanmorgan, Oct 23, 2020.

  1. I have just bought this Ernemann Bob 1 for £10 and quite impressed by the build quality and functionality.

    These are the details I have gleaned so far about my Bob 1:

    - EISS logo

    - Art Deco case styling

    - Body 835 653

    - Back 653, 5692, hand written V349

    - Lens: Ernemann Detektiv Aplanet f= 10.5cm 422095

    - Shutter 813010... Possibly a Chronos

    - Kodak 120 film spool installed

    . Mine is wooden so probably pre-1911 when bodies became cast-metal but then again Art deco period is 1908 to 1935 and it looks to me like a later deco style, than 1911?

    . The Bob 1 is considered "somewhat rare" by collectiblend.com"


    What really intrigues me is the logo does it stand for "Ernemann Zeiss"?... EISS. This would mean it was a collaborative venture acknowledged by the logo prior to the merger of Ernemann with Zeiss, which occurred in the late 1920's. After the merger and when old stock was used up I assume everything was labelled as a Zeiss?

    Any ideas about the exact year and its true value and rarity?

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  2. Kadlubeks Kamera-Katalog lists some 6 versions of the Bob I, ranging from 1903-1926. One of these is a 6x9 Bob I (Kad#0180) with a Detektiv-Aplanat 105mm f/6.8. That one had a Cronos/Bob shutter. It was made from 1913-1926. The Kadlubek price (2004) was 50 euros, so relatively common, if that's what yours is.

    I tried to track down the logo (thought it might relate to the shutter) but with no luck. However, although I'm not a betting person, I'd bet that it has nothing to do with Zeiss, but I've been wrong [which is why I'm not a betting person:(]

    see posting below, problem solved.
     
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2020
  3. Lagniappe:
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    The Erneman Tower that became the logo for Pentacon, much later.
    An Epiphany
    Look at the type face used in the factory image-- The E and the W are your unknown logo - standing for Erneman Werke
     
  4. I had an Erneman Film-K box camera with a wooden body, they were still using wood well into the 1920's.
     
  5. James G. Dainis

    James G. Dainis Moderator

  6. All brilliant answers thank you!... Especially the explanation for "W" as Werke I hadn't though of that although I did wonder if it was a 'W' but couldn't think of anything.
     
  7. And I always thought it was just some designer's flight of fancy.

    Never too old to learn something new!

    FWIW, the famous Ernostar wide-aperture 645 lens is an almost perfectly tele-centric design. If it wasn't so rare, it'd probably have MILC lens adapters clamouring all over eBay for examples.
     
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