Epson R2880 colour management

Discussion in 'Digital Darkroom' started by jeff_ford, Jul 4, 2014.

  1. Windows 8
    Photoshop CC
    Lightroom 5.5
    Epson R2880 on Velvet Fine Art
    New inkset.....and another
    My prints (and previews) appear to be double managed, the saturation is beyond psychedelic and yet I cannot find where my problem is. The printer is about 4 years old now but has only ever had about 20 sheets of A3+ run through it, the first 10 or so were great but since then I've been having problems and keep walking away from it for a few more months as I just cannot find the solution. I've followed the 'Printing with Lightroom' instructions to the letter, but its almost as if
    Color management>>Other>>Epson Fine Art
    and
    Mode>>Custom>>Off(No color adjustment
    are not reacting correctly and there is a second layer of color management being overlaid somewhere
    Faulty driver? I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling, I've used every paper profile I can find but nothing changes the preview.
    Photoshop CC is the same so am ruling out Adobe, it has to be in the printer driver/paper profile....but where?
    Help
     
  2. Okay. Do your LR settings look like this?
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  3. And your printer settings like this? (With your paper type and profile.)
    00cgX0-549522984.JPG
     
  4. You need to be very careful with the Epson driver in LR whereby it is always set to Presets: Default Settings NOT a custom setting you saved within the driver itself. That's where you'd get double color management because all those settings are saved in the LR template.
    IF Photoshop is providing the same issues, it sounds like driver/printer issues. Always a good idea to use a reference image for testing such as: http://www.digitaldog.net/files/2014PrinterTestFileFlat.tif.zip
     
  5. Do your LR settings look like this?​
    Hopefully not in terms of that Print Adjustment setting of +8.
     
  6. Lastly, all inks are firing, you've done a nozzle check?
     
  7. Andrew: I find MY prints need a bit of extra contrast. I think it has to do with my perception, rather than a calibration problem. In practice, +8 is a very small adjustment.
     
  8. Andrew: I find MY prints need a bit of extra contrast.​
    Didn't want the OP to set this as shown per se. It illustrates the limitations of many display + calibration solutions that don't control black and thus contrast ratio. Timely considering the current discussion on displays here and features that high end reference displays provide; control over black.
     
  9. I didn't know control over the display's black point induced psychedelic colors which is what the OP is trying to solve. Have a solution for that, Andrew?
    If we're going to have to fiddle with our displays black levels just to get a simple print match then there's no point to soft proofing which is what that is suppose to show. If there are limits to that capability then I can't see how changing black levels is going to be anymore reliable and less time consuming.
     
  10. I didn't know control over the display's black point induced psychedelic colors which is what the OP is trying to solve.​
    Tim, more questions for me without providing the courtesy? Tiring. Try to read the posts here in order, you'll see that my comment about black has nothing to do with the OP's psychedelic colors. I've attempted to help him in that respect. If you can follow the dots, you might see I'm referring to Les's contrast adjustment in LR.
    If we're going to have to fiddle with our displays black levels just to get a simple print match then there's no point to soft proofing which is what that is suppose to show.​
    Wrong. The black point IS part of the calibration process if available and rarely is that the case. But had you any experience with really good professional display systems, you'd see that the calibration of black is both useful and very necessary to produce that soft proof which matches a print. It's why SpectraView, Barco, Pressview and in this case Artisan provided such controls, or are you under the impression these companies are confused about what they are provding? If so, I suspect you'll object then keep any evidence (I'm being kind) of this to yourself as you've done on the current post on buying a display.
    Here's an old piece I did for Imaging Review and Sony (for their fine Artisan displays) 14 years ago explaining this so you have some reading to do:
    http://www.digitaldog.net/files/BlackisBack.pdf
    If there are limits to that capability then I can't see how changing black levels is going to be anymore reliable and less time consuming.​
    I fully understand how you can't see that. Really I do. From the posts here on what display to buy, it's pretty obvious you don't understand it.
     
  11. Sorry for delay responding.....
    settings look like this
    https://www.flickr.com/gp/tonybrowndop/5Ah6Uh
    https://www.flickr.com/gp/tonybrowndop/8K179L
    And the preview looks like this
    https://www.flickr.com/gp/tonybrowndop/7620kz
    Sorry, I've tried for an hour to embed the images and have given up.
    I have no way to check the cartridge jets as I cant get to print an image, but the fact the error shows in the print preview indicates that the fault is not with the printer hardware.
     
  12. And the preview looks like this
    https://www.flickr.com/gp/tonybrowndop/7620kz
    IGNORE the prevew in the Epson print driver, it's not color managed. How does the preview in PS look?
    The other settings look good thus far although I'm not sure why we see Luster in one group and Velvet Fine Art for the media setting in another! That's not kosher assuming these are all the same settings for the problem print.
     
  13. Where do you see Luster Andrew? The Epson preview is exactly how it prints and so thought it relevant to mention
     
  14. Where do you see Luster Andrew?​
    One of the screen captures but now I suspect it's not the yours.
    The Epson preview is exactly how it prints and so thought it relevant to mention​
    That indicates an issue with color management and profiles in my mind. The preview is wrong. Just ignore it, the problem lies elsewhere. The preview in LR should be correct but of course, the calibration or lack thereof from the display would play a role. What do you see when you setup a soft proof using that profile in LR?

    At this point I suggest you start from scratch and first make a new custom print template. Then setup everything from page setup to printer setup and all the settings on the right side of the Print module, then alt/option click on that template and select "Update with Current Settings", then click on it again and make a print. Any differences?
     
  15. The proof preview is perfect. I use a Dell U2410 for the broad brushstroke corrections and for general corrections though for paper prints I tend to use an old Viewsonic VP201b, both calibrated using a Spider v4 which has always served well in the past.
    I'm going to take your suggestion and start from scratch.
    BTW prints from a laptop using the same settings work fine......
     
  16. BTW prints from a laptop using the same settings work fine......​
    That would indicate some incorrect setting somewhere, it's not the printer or the file which is good.
     

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