England, Scotland, Wales - Must see/shoot places

Discussion in 'Travel' started by sleake, Mar 5, 2008.

  1. As stated in another post, my wife and I are planning a trip to England,
    Scotland, Wales (and a quick trip to Paris) this fall. We are starting our
    planning and I was hoping I might get some suggestions for places we must visit
    and photograph. Our plan is to start in the south (Dover) and basically head up
    the eastern part of England to Endinburgh, Scotland, then to Loch Ness, back to
    Glasgow, then down the western part to Liverpool, into Wales and back towards
    London. We are planning our days such that there is never more than a total of 4
    hours driving so we have plenty of time to stop enjoy and photograph. And we are
    trying to keep things loose so we can adjust if there is a place we must go.

    Castles, cathedrals and small villages are things we have thought about. But I
    would appreciate any input on where we might visit with photographs in mind.

    Thanks in advance for your input!!

  2. Hi Scott, On your journey up the eastern side of England, Oakham is the main town in the smallest county of Rutland and the Castle Museum is well worth a visit, it is the oldest Tier One Crown Court in England and every passing major dignitary leaves a horseshoe, including every Lord Chief Justice, the horseshoes are of every size, but the place just oozes history as does the market town itself. Next on your way you will pass Stamford in south Lincolnshire, the jewel in Lincolnshire's crown a beautiful old market town that still retains much of its very olde worlde character, it is often used for filming period drama's such is its architecture, I am sure someone else will take up this thread and offer you more attractive points of interest, but as you drive through Lincolnshire Lincoln Cathedral sits majestically on a hill and makes for incredible photographs, some of the Da Vinci Code was filmed there, again Lincoln is a city worthy of a visit. PM me if you want to visit any of the places I mentioned and I would be more than happy to provide more detailed information, enjoy the trip and I am sure you will soon get a full list of places to visit, regards

  3. Standard reply - you haven't got enough time to see everything! I've lived in the UK for a
    good while and there is much of the country I've never seen.

    Since you specifically mention cathedrals, some of my favourites on or near your route are:
    Canterbury, Ely, Lincoln, York, Durham (I know nothing of Scottish or Welsh cathedrals),
    Liverpool (x2), Gloucester, Wells, Salisbury, Winchester.

    Going through Yorkshire, you'll also pass close by some amazing ruined abbeys. My own
    favourite is Rievaulx, but there are several others.

    I'd suggest you get very familiar with the www's of the National Trust and English Heritage
    and start shortlisting the things they own that tickle your fancy.

    Two more things - the Film and Photography museum in Bradford (or Bratfut using the
    local accent) is good. http://www.nationalmediamuseum.org.uk/

    And a must for me would be Laycock Abbey in Wiltshire, home of Fox Talbot, one of photography's pioneers and delightful in its own right.
  4. For our first trip, English friends suggested that York was a must, and in retrospect, after a bunch of other trips, I think they were definitely right. Endinburgh was another incredible experience, as well.
  5. You must definitely go to Endinburgh, its got the right mix of quaint villages, castles and old churches. You won't run out of things to shoot.
  6. We are contemplating if we want to make a trip from Endinburgh to Inverness/Loch Ness and if it is worth the 3+ hour journey. That adds a day or so to our trip as I think we would take the day to travel up there and seeing the countryside, spend the night, take pictures and see the Loch (and maybe Nessie ;) ) and then drive back to Endinburgh or Glasgow. I wish we had more than the two weeks alloted!
  7. Great Britain is a gem. So many different kinds of 'must-sees' and in so small (by American standards) a place. You'll need to get a decent guidebook and decide what kinds of things interest you and your spouse. I think these days, the DK guides are probably the best.

    A few years ago, my daughter and I went to Berlin. There was a long line of people waiting to get into the Reichstag. As we looked up and down the line, nearly every everyone in the line had a DK guide to Berlin, altogether in at least half a dozen different languages. I think you can take that as a recommendation!
  8. I lived there for three years, never saw 1/10,000 of the place, and we tried. You could easily spend your two weeks in the south between Dover and Bath and no further north than London, and you would only really see a fraction of that area.

    An interesting statistic, there are approx 47,000 churches in the UK, and if even only 10% of them are probably worth a visit, that is a whole lot of places to go.

    Enjoy your trip, it a fabulous place to visit.
  9. Where is Endinburgh?

    Edinburgh, as any fule knows
  10. Here are some random ideas following your itinerary :

    Dover Castle, Scotney Castle & gardens (check opening times), Canterbury carhedral,

    London (see previous posts),

    Cambridge (Kings College Chapel). Ely Cathedral, Norwich and the Norfolk broads,

    Lincoln and cathedral, Chatsworth House, Derbyshire dales

    Whitby, Staithes village and N York Moors, Goathland village and steam railway,

    Hadrians wall, Northumbrian coast, Dunstanburgh and Bamburgh castkes,

    Edunburgh and the two Forth Bridges (DNM),

    Oban, Mull , Tobermory village, Iona

    Trossachs and Loch Lomond,

    Lake district, Castelrigg stone circle (Keswick), Ambleside, Hard Knott and Wrynose passes, Wasdalehead

    Yorkshire dales, Fountains abbey,

    Snowdonia, Pembrokeshire coast

    Bath - Royal crescent etc the Octagon, Abbey, Wells cathedral

    Dartmoor, Exmoor, Cornwall north coast villages

    Cotswolds, Broadway, Avebury, Stonehenge, Salisbury Cathedral, Lyme Regis, .....

    These are just a few suggestions for places to start your own research. Have a look and see what looks interesting. Many of the best things hardly feature in guide books so be prepared to be flexible and enjoy the place without havin to rush.

    Have a great trip.
  11. ...York, Bath Roman bsths, Oxford, (Blenheim Palace) Windsor, Eton, Hampton Court.....
  12. david_henderson

    david_henderson www.photography001.com

    Three dilemmas spring quickly to mind on this, bearing in mind that your trip is not infinite or open ended.

    Firstly countryside vs towns. Most of what people are immediately suggesting here are towns and cities. My own immediate thoughts run to areas of unique or at least "different " landscapes such as the Dorset Coast, Yorkshire Dales, Cotswolds etc which mostly have attractive small villages embedded in them. What way are you thinking?

    Secondly a journey vs a series of destinations? Like about every other country you won't see the best of the UK from the motorways or the railway lines. You have a choice between getting somewhere quickly or getting somewhere prettily. Whats your preference please?

    Thirdly, breadth vs depth. There are areas of the UK where you could happily spend your whole two weeks. Or you can touch on numerous areas and sights whilst moving on quickly to the next. Where are you on the balance of these?

    Just one specific for the moment. Loch Ness is not the most interesting or attractive area of Scotland. Its a very long, wide and visually not terribly interesting chunk of water and within an hours drive of it in virtually any direction you'll find extraordinarily attractive and photogenic places. I have probably spent two or three months of my life photographing in Scotland and I have thousands of images. Not one is of Loch Ness.
  13. Scott, I suggest if you are travelling from Scotland to Wales, then spend some time in the Lakes District. Also, if you can, (depending on the timing of your itinary), the Blackpool Illuminations offer great night time photographs.
  14. I agree with David about Loch Ness - very bleak and uninteresting compared with much of the rest of Scotland. There is a Scottish joke about the Loch Ness monster. 'Why did the famous first Nessie photograph appear in 1933? - Because the Scottish Tourist Board was formed in 1932'. Loch Ness is for geology enthusiasts only as it it the line of the Highland Boundary Fault.
  15. Agreed on Loch Ness; it's a tourist trap and it's fairly dull, even to a visitor.

    For England I'd say check out the Cinque Ports and surrounding area on the south coast,
    Rochester and Canterbury, Knole (park and house) in Sevenoaks, maybe Guildford, Oxford,
    Avebury, Gloucester... too much to see.

    For photography interest I second Lacock, I'd love to see that place.
  16. I spend a month traveling and photographing there. Keep in mind I'm more interested in landscapes than architecture. I doubt you'll have time for all of this but for my money:

    The Isle of Skye is one of the most amazing places I've ever been. That would be my suggestion over anything else I'll recommend. Many of the lochs are gorgeous but I agree that Loch Ness is a tourist trap. Roslyn Chapel (outside of Edinburgh) is a tourist trap but also fascinating. If you plan to photograph there you will need good low-light ability from your camera system.

    Northern Wales is lovely. I particularly like Conwy and Snowdonia (take the train if you can). Cardiff is a great town and underrated in my opinion.

    The comments about York are true, but it's packed with tourist kitsch. On a side note, the "ghost tours" offered there are hysterically funny if the locals have been out at the pubs. Liverpool is a great town with a lot of character. Brighton and the South Downs are worth a look as well. My absolute favorite part of England was Cornwall though. Penzance is a fantastic town and the landscape is incredible.
  17. Hi Scott

    I live in Edinburgh, so I can hopefully give you some pointers.

    Castles - Edinburgh, Carigmillar, Lauriston (all in Edinburgh itself),Dirleton, Tantallon, Linlithgow, Black Ness (small towns/villages no more than 25 miles from Edinburgh).

    Churches - St Giles' Cathedral, Canongate, Magdalen, Duddingston, Cramond, Corstorphine, Holyrood Abbey (all within Edinburgh and OLD), Seton Chapel, Rosslyn Chapel (no more than about 15 miles from Edinburgh).

    Small villages - not so sure here (never thought of photographing them). South Queensferry, Culross (pronounced 'Kooross'), Dunfermline are fairly close.

    Please let me know if you'd like any other info.

  18. Oops - second castle is CRAIGMILLAR.
  19. As far as I'm concerned all the cathedrals are worth visiting. Ely is highest on my list followed by York minster. The National Trust is great and hard to choose from sadly no photographing inside (unless that changed recently). Lacock is nice but don't forget the village. Others that are great are Lanhydrock, Knole, Erdigg etc. Railway museum at York is also worth a visit if you like that kind of stuff. Oxford and Cambridge are great places but crowded. If you visit Oxford go to the Pitt River collection and wonder about the objects. Bath is fine and there Mr Bowler Business is worth a visit if you like industrial museums.

    As for small villages, just drive along, you'll find plenty of them.
  20. I would second what Ken said. I haven't been to a number of the locations he mentioned, but my wife visited much of Yorkshire when she was in college and has some really great photos of some of the abbeys there, I believe Rievaulx was one of them.

    I would also suggest Bath if you make it that far west and south. The town itself is quite charming and the old Roman baths are pretty neat to see. Ask around though as sometimes of the day can be pretty congested with people. First thing when they open is probably best. The countryside in Somerset county (where Bath is located) is also really beautiful. I really makes me want to uproot and move to England.

    Stonehenge is nice, but it is a little less impressive then I had first thought, however I don't regret seeing it at all. I'd also suggest Windsor castle. The town is cute and the Castle itself is quite impressive.

    Plenty to see in London itself. My few basic suggestions are spend at least 4 days in the city, less and you won't see most of what you will want to. For locations try catching a play in the new globe theater, go to Westminster Abbey, see Houses of Parliment, walk through Kensington and Hyde parks, take a walk around Picidily Circus, ride the underground, see the tower of London (take one of the Beefeater guided tours, most of the Beefeaters are amazing story tellers), St. Pauls catherdral...find out when the dome is open so you can walk to the top, its an amazing view in the cathedral and you can also go all the way to the very top, which has amazing views of the city, it is a lot of steps and they are VERY narrow though.

    Paris has a lot to see as well, but you seem to just want info on England, Scotland and Wales for now.
  21. This thread makes a trip sound quite intriguing.

    To anyone knowledgeable: for a Yank like myself, has Britain become as expensive recently as mainland Europe?
  22. I would say I am more about the journey. There are some destinations that I want to make (such as East Leake just south of Nottingham) and a couple others, but our plan is to stay off the major roads and travel some smaller ones. The plan is to limit the time per day on the road so we have time to stop whenever if we run across things unexpected.

    For me, traveling is about seeing new things, things I wouldn't see here and seeing things that make a place uniquely it's own. The landscape, castles, cathedrals, small villages, thatch roofs, etc are the things that come to mind for me (having never been there). I am a planner and organizer (my wife says "anal-retentive" and "obsessed"), but for things like this, I try very hard to setup a loose agenda and then just flow with it.

    The input about not seeing it all is a good reminder. Looking at a map it's easy to say "it's only an hour from here to there", but that leaves out what is in between that would be worth seeing.

    This is why I asked the question, to get different perspectives to help me come up with a sensibly loose agenda. :)
  23. Nate, UK prices :

    petrol (gas) about $9 a gallon, a Canon 5D body about $2300 (after cashback) and a Big Mac about $3.88

    so yes, quite expensive!
  24. Yup, it's expensive, particularly eating out and accommodation. Especially so for transatlantic
    visitors because the dollar has dived against the pound. Sorry 'bout that.
  25. Best advice I can give you is to order a DK Eyewitness travel guide. It has tons of pictures and extremely helpful tips. Just make sure you get the latest edition.
  26. I was in England a year ago and spent two weeks just going to Windsor, Brighton, Salisbury, Stonehenge, Avebury, Jurassic Coast, Lyme Regis, Dartmoor, Bath, Gower Peninsula in Wales, Cotswolds and London (4 days there at the end of our trip.) It was quite surprising how long it took to drive places when not on the motorways. Whoever is not driving needs to be a very good navigator. And DO NOT drive in London! I originally thought I'd go north to Scotland also but there was PLENTY to see without getting north of Oxford. I particularly enjoyed an early morning in Castle Combe, about the quaintest little village I've ever seen, a bit north of Bath. I have pictures in my portfolio. I liked Rick Steve's book.
  27. Nice UK portfolio, Dave!
  28. Hi Scott,

    I was in the UK for a week in November, and rented a car for travels west and north of London. For me, the journey was as much a part of the destination, and the motorways were just horrible. They're useful if you want to get from point A to point B in a hurry, but keep in mind that traffic can get backed up very easily due to accidents and other road problems, and your four hour road trip has now become five. I had a GPS system that was very useful for road planning and times, but the default was always for motorways, not secondary roads, which took a bit longer (but were worth it). And if you stay on the secondary roads, there are a lot of places to stop along the way, so you need to factor that in as well.

    Personally, I think that you have way too much on your plate for two weeks. How many days in Paris? In London? Edinburgh? Glasgow? Liverpool? Just those cities would take up the two weeks, nevermind the countryside. I would suggest choosing two or three major areas, and exploring those regions as best you can. Or stick to just England, or just Scotland, or ... you get the idea. You'll never see everything in two weeks, so it would be better to see a few things well, then a lot of things poorly. Of course, that's just my opinion, ;-) but it's based on years of trying to combine meaningful travel with meaningful photography.
  29. Thanks Ken! And I agree completely with everything Rachelle said, Scott, you're trying to bite off too much of the UK especially if you're trying to fit in Paris, too. It is a 2 week trip, rignt? If so, you'll need a vacation after your vacation!
  30. LOL! Yes, biting off more than I should. I have that optimistic, plan everything out and it all works kind of mindset. But with much of what has been said here, you are definitely right, too much. Loch Ness is out, and maybe even Edinburgh. May only go as far north as York as we definitely want to travel secondary roads and make it a journey.

    It would be great to just travel until we are ready to call it a day, and find a place to stay (B&B or whatever), but being the planning guy I am, I'm not sure that is a good idea. Thoughts?
  31. If you're going as far north as York, I'd go further still, to Durham.

    Durham Castle and Cathedral are next to each other on what is almost a rocky island in a
    huge bend in the River Tees and are both photographically spectacular. Whilst you're in
    that part of the world, you could also visit Lindisfarne and Bamburgh Castle, probably
    both count as top ten photogenic English sites.

    After Nothumberland turn west towards the Lake District through the Northern Pennines -
    Hadrian's Wall territory. Inspiring country, if it's not raining.
  32. david_henderson

    david_henderson www.photography001.com

    If it were me, and having two weeks I'd do one of two things.

    Get straight on a plane/train to Edinburgh, spend a couple of days there, and then do a tour of the Scottish Highlands for ten days starting off with Rannoch Moor and Glencoe/Glen Etive , and encompassing Skye; up the west coast to Plockton, Applecross, Ullapool, the Inverpolly region, Eddrachilles Durness and along the extreme northern coast, Inverness, Glens Affric and Strathfarrar Pitlochry, Lochs Tummel & Rannoch, Glen Lyon and back to Edinburgh. If I could get that done in ten days I'd spend a couple of days in London - or better yet pick up a car from the airport and spend my last couple of days in Bath.Cotswolds/Oxford. I wouldn't do this tour in high summer because of the midges, but in the fall it can be quite magnificent with beautiful foliage colour in the Glens and round Pitlochry as well as great scenery.

    Or as an alternative, train or plane to Newcastle. Three days on the Northumberland coast centred on Bamburgh; three days in the Lake District driving there via Hadrians Wall, two days in the Yorkshire Dales, a day in York, a day driving to bath stopping in Stratford. day in Bath, a day driving through the Cotswolds to Oxford, a day walking round Oxford leaving an hours drive to Heathrow and the plane out. With the exception of the York to Bath drive its interest all the way since many of the areas join up.

    Both of these have a mix of coast and inland scenery, and throw in a few castles and churches on the way. The second option has more villages and towns. Note that London doesn't play much part in either suggestion. Having lived close to London for more than theirty years I'm not actually convinced that it is a great tourist city of the stature of new York, Paris, Rome etc and its expensive, especially at the moment. I would plan rough routes and I'd absolutely book accommodation in advance. You don't want to be burning your limited time searching for rooms, wondering whether to take this one in the interests of time or to push on and find something better/cheaper in the next place. You'll make far better decisions on the internet.
  33. I like either of David's tours above. Of the two the second seems to come closer to your original idea and you could put in the visit to East Leake on the way.

    Loads of good ideas throughout the thread so you now have the difficult task of whittling them down.

    I would use the motorways where a longer trip is required from one region to another. They are usually quite a bit quicker.

    I would consider hiring a Sat Nav unit while in the UK as that takes a lot of the hassle out of finding places and navigating through towns. They will save you time getting lost and don't cost a huge amount these days.
  34. The only thing I'd say on the options of Bath and Stratford is that you'll have plenty of
    opportunities to photograph other tourists!
  35. If you are thinking of just "happening" on a gorgeous and inexpensive B&B each night without prior planning, dream on. I book months in advance after researching extensively. Also, the B&B you happen on may not serve an evening meal or be near a pub or a restaurant.

    An excellent way to enjoy any part of UK or Europe is to find a base for a few days and stay there while visiting the nearby sights. For instance, stay in York (inside or very close to the walls so you don't have to deal with parking or taxis), and in addition to the city you can visit Rievaulx and Fountains abbeys and quite a few other places in easy and interesting driving distance from your base (ie no motorways). The AA (the UK Automobile Association) has a great website with accommodation, do a search on a town you have chosen as a base, and look for B&B's rather than budget hotels. Generally, the B&B's are less expensive and more interesting than hotels.

  36. We have relatives in Crowthorne, west of London, and plan to stay there some. That would give us relatively easy access to the south west part of England. I'm not sure how much is close there that would be drive out to see/enjoy and then come back that night, but that is certainly a possibility. And your input about staying in a certain place for a couple of days and venturing out from there makes lots of sense.

    When we started thinking about this, it was a big round trip. But now it is becoming more about specific things to see and trying to determine how to do it. We still plan on renting (hiring as you Brits say) a car for the two weeks we are there so we should have the freedom to go when and where we please.

    As for B&Bs, we will definitely start planning now. In the past my wife has planned trips on the cheap, and while we don't have unlimited funds to throw around, I'm just not up for staying in a dive at night if at all possible. I think once we have a more firm plan for where we are going to go, I may ask about some B&Bs to try in those areas.

    I'm really looking forward to this trip and though it is still about 6 months away, it feels like we won't get it all figured out in time! S

  37. Crowthorne is not very exciting in its own right but you're well placed for one or two day trips
    to places like Winchester, Windsor, Bath, Bristol, Salisbury, Oxford, Stonehenge, even Stratford
    on Avon, and you can take a train into central London pretty easily with a journey time of
    about one hour.
  38. What I would do is aim at a a number of different environments and try to do them well. with one of the following in each category, possibly more if really interested. Some of these are standard and some slightly off the US tourist track. I'd go for local activities and community as well as buildings, eg. sports and markets.
    Coastal Scenery - Cornwall, Salcome, Kyles of Bute, Scottish Borders (Highly Recoomended)
    Mountains - Lake District, Scottish Highlands
    Coastal Towns - Southwold (Suffolk) Rye. Salcome Devon etc
    Rural - North Downs way (Wye, Kent),Fens, Cotswolds, Somerset
    Medieval - Norwich, York Cambridge (But crowded)
    Old Urban - Edinburgh
    Regency - Bath, Greenwich Maritime Museum
    New Urban - Canary Wharf, London Thameside
    London Community - Markets eg Camden Lock and Pimlico
    Sports - Cricket - Any village in Kent e.g. Wye, Sailing (Solent) Soccer (Anywhere)
    Street Community - Mill Road Cambridge
    Festivals - Notting Hill, Luton, Cambridge Folk Festival (if you can get in)
    Village Fetes - Anywhere rural (once a year)

    I live in Cambridge so feel free to email me with any specific queries,
  39. Sounds like quite an itinerary! As a native (English, Winchester if you're asking) whose travelled and photographed most, if not all of the places listed above, my advice would be don't try and do too much, but rather take your time and really experience the highlights.

    As for the highlights, I'd forget Dover. It's just a big ferry terminal famous within Britain for its proximity to France (popular with day trippers for the cheap booze/fags they sell in France).

    Must see places are London (although don't even think about trying to drive around the place - remember, London is the spiritual home of road-rage), Windsor, Canterbury, York, Edinburgh (whilst in Scotland give Loch Ness a miss - as mentioned above there ain't a lot going for it. If you want picturesque Scotland take the 'Road to the Isles' from Fort William to Mallaig, catch the ferry 'over the sea to Skye' and try and come back through either Ullapool or Oban)

    Heading south again the Lake District (Grasmere, Windermere and Ambleside) and Liverpool are worth a visit (If only because I was born and raised in nearby St. Helens). Liverpool is brilliant if you're a Beatles fan and the cities architecture is unique in Britain. North Wales (especially Snowdonia and the bits between Betws-Y-Coed and Llanberis), Bath is worth a stop as is the rest of the Cotswolds (Bourton-on-the-water / Chipping Norton / Blenheim Palace) and for the full Jane Austen treatment may I suggest Winchester. (Let me know when you're coming and I'll stand you a pint in the oldest pub in Britain and bore you to tears with camera talk!). Also Salisbury, Stonehenge (and the more approachable) Avebury Rings can easily be covered in a day.

    Places to avoid like the plague... Oxford, the midlands (The area 50-100 miles around Birmingham), Glasgow, Bradford, Blackpool, Newcastle (you won't understand the locals), Bristol and Luton.

    Hope you have a great time over here.

    Andy B.
  40. If you're looking for more ideas there are brochures from the Welsh government that can help. They describe lots of the places in Wales you could go to.
    You can get them through this site, it's very easy to use, you don't have to register before ordering and the brochures arrive in a couple of days.
    Hope it helps!
  41. I live in Scotland and would suggest driving up the West coast which has stunning scenery for landscapes. It is also easy to cut across country to the East coast.
    Loch Lomond National Park is lovely but be careful on parts of the road as it is still 19th century, I kid you not!
    Look at my site for some ideas www.frankfitz.com on the West Coast and Western Isles.
    Have a good trip and post lots of images.
  42. Frank, I enjoyed your photos. I happen to be leaving for the UK this week - London-Scotland-Wales. The weather seems to be on the cool side in May. What do most people wear?
  43. Wales is about 15 C, London about 17-19 C, Scotland is a blistering 12-15 C!
    I would bring a pullover and a waterproof jacket. London and the south tends to be warmer and less rain although the forecast last night was the whole country to be subject to rain sometimes heavy. I hope the weather will change for you. Have a good trip.
    Before you leave check out the BBC weather website as it gives a weeks advance weather forecast.
    You can refine it by city location.
  44. Thanks Frank. I am writing from my hotel in London - having arrived today. As you mentioned, it's cooler than back home in New England. Thanks for your clothing advice. Planning to go to a "Photo Walks of London" event tomorrow.
  45. While I was in the Navy I got to visit some parts of Europe but didn't have a decent camera. It got stolen on the day I deployed. So, on my honeymoon, I brought the "decent" camera I eventually got, but I'd got it twenty years past - and as luck would have it, the darn thing had a shutter issue and we lost 80% of the film we shot. A few important shots were captured, so we do have some, but please doublecheck ANY equipment (especially film cameras) before you go.
    Some day when we get back to Europe I want to visit London in particular. The IWM is my most desired place to see.
  46. Patrick, sorry to hear about the equipment mishaps. Good thing you were able to save some precious shots.
    I love London. Ian of "Photo Walks of London" took me to a number of places this morning and I went back in the evening for night shots at the Westminster Abbey area. I feel London is a good combination of NYC and Boston.

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