mauro_franic Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 This to compare the new Ektar 100 against two of the best films available. (Velvia 50 is on its way from the lab) The crops below represent only 3% of the area of the 35mm frame! They were scanned on a Collscan 9000 without ICE. Straight from the scanner:http://shutterclick.smugmug.com/gallery/6616619_YJEwK#421782893_3FL6u-O-LB Filtered and sharpened:http://shutterclick.smugmug.com/gallery/6616619_YJEwK#421783213_s6ekF-O-LB Preliminary observations: - Resolution: When comparing the films on the microscope the scanner captured all the information available onEktar whereas the resolution of TMX extends about 20-30% pass the limitations of the scanner. TMX comfortablyoutresolves Ektar. - Grain: Both are ridiculously fine. - Other: I noticed light bleeding on Ektar around the blocky areas of the resolution chart. These are on thenegative itself (on both the main Ektar roll and the secondary Ektar control). I do not know whether this is acharacteristic of the film or the result of the Costco processing machine. I will add the Velvia scans as soon as I receive them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_shriver Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 I could believe that the edge effects in the developing process would not be exactly uniform for all three emulsions. Or, the Costco machine could be out of process control, causing the edge effects to be inconsistent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted November 21, 2008 Author Share Posted November 21, 2008 The light bleed was only on the Ektar rolls (2). Both developed at Costco 1 week apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randall_pukalo Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 The light bleed if from Costco - I also get this when I send them film. At first thought it was my Dynax 7, but noticed it only happens at Costco, never at Target. Maybe a charactyeristic of their machines, because they do excellent quality work otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted November 21, 2008 Author Share Posted November 21, 2008 Thank you for the info Randall. Did you notice it in normal pictures? I had them develop some Ektar portraits and landscapes and they were fine. It seems to show only in the extreme contrast of the resolution chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted November 21, 2008 Author Share Posted November 21, 2008 For example, this is a crop of a picture of a tree, very strong contralight contrast. Developed at Costco as well - no halos. http://shutterclick.smugmug.com/gallery/6616619_YJEwK#421885929_vCHzj-O-LB By the way, no color processing was done, this is how saturated this film comes from the Coolscan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted November 21, 2008 Author Share Posted November 21, 2008 In this link I sharpened the images for ease of resolution comparison. This will exaggerate grain. I added the 40D (also 3% sensor area). http://shutterclick.smugmug.com/gallery/6616619_YJEwK#421902416_ibL4V-O-LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartMoxham Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 One question did you resample the 40D image to bring the image size up to that of the film scans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 Nearest Neighbor 200%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartMoxham Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Most people would not use nearest neighbour to upscale a digital image. Unless one is photographing black and white squares nearest neighbour would be a poor choice for pictorial use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 Here is the 40D at 100%. http://shutterclick.smugmug.com/gallery/6616619_YJEwK#422855889_gG2Ck-O-LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 Feel free to resample and post for comparison if you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartMoxham Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 I can't get the image off the page. Resampling with bicubic won't increase the resolution the test charts will still be worse than the film but it does help the pictorial elements of the image because jaggies are not so apparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 Agree. I just removed the download protection in case you want to pull them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartMoxham Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Thanks heres a small section I resample to 200% using nearest neighbour.<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartMoxham Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Here is one with bicubic<div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartMoxham Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 The bicubic wont add resolution that is not there but is does help with what we have. The text SPICED CLASSICS is much nicer looking with bicubic. Now if this were a portrait it could mean the difference between smooth eyelashes and jaggy ones. Antother good example would be of clouds with nearest neighbour they would show pixelation but with bicubic the image would interpolate very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuartMoxham Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Clouds would be a bad example really, hard curved or diagonal edges benifit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 You are right it looks better but doesn't change the resolution (although some people like to believe otherwise). Thank you for the contribution. Wouldn't it be nice if you could shoot with a digital camera and use software to achieve the resolution of film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a._t._burke Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Mauro Franic... Thank you for your informative posts. Where did you get/purchase the chart, please, and how much was it? Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 Tom, I can email you the PDF of the chart, you need to print at max dpi - on at least 13x19 on an HP B8350 (must be max dpi - not best). Send me your email address directly and I'll send it to you. If you don't have a printer large enough, you can can still be ok but you may not be able to use on the finest lpph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted November 23, 2008 Author Share Posted November 23, 2008 You can also download it from here: http://www.graphics.cornell.edu/~westin/misc/ISO_12233-reschart.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_robison3 Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 So this is a 4X6mm part of the frame? That would be about 3% of the area of a 35mm frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35mmdelux Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 We talked about dev at Costco and Target. Did anyone check with Walmart yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauro_franic Posted November 24, 2008 Author Share Posted November 24, 2008 John, 3.5mm x 7.5mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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