jack_traven Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 <p>Hi all,<br /><br />I previously posted a question regarding enlarging my photos for oversized wall prints. I noticed my pictures have incredibly jagged lines. Is this normal? My camera body is a Canon 1Ds MKIII with the 24-70 2.8L II Lens. <br />Attached is a cropped example. <br />Thoughts?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_traven Posted January 2, 2010 Author Share Posted January 2, 2010 <p>example</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdigi Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 <p>Are you zoomed in past 100%?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_traven Posted January 2, 2010 Author Share Posted January 2, 2010 <p>Sorry, yes. Try this attachment, it is at 100% original size.</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathangardner Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>What quality are you shooting? Do you shoot RAW, L, M, or S? I would guess it was shot in S (small) quality and is a low res photo. The photo above is the full photo, not a crop correct.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spearhead Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>How could it be the full photo, it doesn't have the right aspect ratio. It has to be a crop.</p> Music and Portraits Blog: Life in Portugal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffs1 Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>The appearance of angled lines in digital photos depends on many processing parameters, most obviously sharpening.</p> <p>If you're shooing raw you have complete control; if you're using the in-camera processing (ex. to create a JPEG) then you need to experiment with those settings to get results you like.</p> <p>I often resort to localized sharpening in "problem" areas to get the look I want.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_traven Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>Hi all, Sorry, I meant to say it is cropped but not zoomed past 100% if that makes any sense. I was shooting in RAW (which shows the jaggies even more pronounced) but I did a post-process conversion from RAW to JPEG (so the pic you see above is post-process JPEG). <br> Here's some other data:<br> File name<br /> 352G0284.CR2<br />Camera Model Name<br /> Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III<br />Firmware<br /> Firmware Version 1.1.4<br />Shooting Date/Time<br /> 12/29/2009 20:37:06<br />Tv(Shutter Speed)<br /> 1/10Sec.<br />Av(Aperture Value)<br /> F14<br />Metering Modes<br /> Evaluative metering<br />Exposure Compensation<br /> 0<br />ISO Speed<br /> 400<br />Lens<br /> EF24-70mm f/2.8L USM<br />Focal Length<br /> 70.0 mm<br />Image size<br /> 5616 x 3744<br />Image Quality<br /> RAW<br />Flash<br /> Off<br />White Balance<br /> Auto<br />AF mode<br /> AI Servo AF<br />Picture Style<br /> Standard<br />Parameters<br /> Tone Curve : Standard<br /> Sharpness level : -<br /> Pattern Sharpness : -<br /> Contrast : 0<br /> Sharpness : 3<br /> Color saturation : 0<br /> Color tone : 0<br /> Long exposure noise reduction : Enable<br /> High ISO speed noise reduction : Disable<br /> Highlight tone priority : Disable<br />Color matrix<br /> -<br />Color Space<br /> sRGB<br />File Size<br /> 22352 KB<br />Dust Delete Data<br /> No<br />Drive Mode<br /> Shooting with self-timer</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathangardner Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>I thought the same thing Jeff.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathangardner Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>were you using a tripod?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_traven Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>I just noticed "Sharpness : 3" in the camera EXIF data. Maybe I should turn this to Zero?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathangardner Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>how much of a crop is this? Do you have the full photo?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_traven Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>yes, using a Gitzo GT2531 with an Arca Swiss Monoball Z.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathangardner Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>also, you should never use Al servo focus on non moving objects. This makes the focus continuously focus and refocus and is designed for sports and action where there is a lot of movement. The very slight movements in the focus while using al servo can make an out of focus photo on a non moving object. I'd use one shot AF.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathangardner Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>I just thought 1/10 second is a slow shutter, but its fine for a tripod. And if you're using a tripod, I'd set ISO to 100 to get the best quality since shutter speed won't matter.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_traven Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>Hi Nathan,<br> Regarding AI Servo Focus, yes I completely agree and was not paying attention to that setting when I normally do.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathangardner Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>I don't know how big the original file was, but this looks to me like its an extreme zoom. Full frame cameras allow for nice crops, but I would guess this pushes the limits. Can you look at the properties of the crop and tell us the pixel dimensions?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathangardner Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>Yeah, I do it too. I hate it when a careless mistake messes up a great photo, but sometimes there's so many settings that you forget about something small like that.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_traven Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>Here's another one on a completely different day with lower ISO: <br> Tv(Shutter Speed)<br /> 8Sec.<br />Av(Aperture Value)<br /> F11<br />Metering Modes<br /> Evaluative metering<br />Exposure Compensation<br /> 0<br />ISO Speed<br /> 200<br />Lens<br /> EF24-70mm f/2.8L USM<br />Focal Length<br /> 70.0 mm<br />Image size<br /> 5616 x 3744<br />Image Quality<br /> RAW</p><div></div> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathangardner Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>The first photo, the crop where you circle the jagged edges, is only 457x900 pixels. I know that is a crop to show the flaw, but that's less than a 1/2 megapixel image. Even the larger image you showed us can't be any more than 3 or 4 megapixels. I think its just cropped too much.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathangardner Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>that one is even less, its only about a 0.13 MP image. If you look at the whole photo it should look fine, but this is like a pinpoint on the original image.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_traven Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>Hi Nathan,<br> First Crop Pixel Information:<br />Width: 339 pix<br />Height: 370 pix<br> Original Pixel Information of the original file:<br />Width: 5616<br />Height: 3744<br> Second Crop Pixel Information:<br />Width: 721 pix<br />Height: 577 pix<br> Original Pixel Information of the original file:<br />Width: 5616<br />Height: 3744</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack_traven Posted January 3, 2010 Author Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>"If you look at the whole photo it should look fine, but this is like a pinpoint on the original image." -- Ok, I must be doing this post processing crop all wrong but if I open the original JPEG file in Photoshop (converted from RAW) and then go straight to Image->Canvas Size without manipulating the photo, the Canvas Size is Width 78inches, Height 52 inches. Am I missing something here?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathangardner Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>The original file was 21MP, the crop is 0.42MP. That's 1/50 of the original. I don't know if you plan on printing an image that cropped or if you're just hitting the magnifying glass in photoshop a hundred times to see what it looks like, but that's too much of a crop to use for a practical situation. All cameras no matter how many megapixels they are will show those jagged edges if zoomed in enough. Pixels are square and when you get close enogh to see individual pixels this is what it looks like. If you want to crop your images that much and use them, I suggest buying a telephoto lens so you don't have to crop or so the crop isn't as extreme.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathangardner Posted January 3, 2010 Share Posted January 3, 2010 <p>change the inches to pixels on the drop down menu, it should then read 5616 x 3744</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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