DUST, ANYONE? Questions about the D600.

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by landrum_kelly, Oct 26, 2012.

  1. After spotting dust on pics from the D600 I ordered near the end of September, I finally found this:
    We tend not to get too excited about sensor dust problems here; we clean sensors on every camera after every rental, so it’s just routine. When we started carrying the Nikon D600 they all arrived with a fair amount of dust, but that’s pretty routine too. Manufacturing and shipping can be a dusty experience. When our techs started complaining that D600s were all coming back from their first rental with a lot more dust (despite being freshly cleaned before leaving) we didn’t pay much attention to that either. We all remember the oil/dust issues the D3x and D3s had. Those mostly cleared up after a few cleanings. The dust kept reappearing with every rental, and more impressively, it was generally in the same location (upper left 1/3rd of the image). That did get our attention so we started looking into the matter a bit. We kept dust pictures for twenty consecutive D600s returning from rental and saw the problem was very real. In general, about 1 out of 4 cameras requires sensor cleaning after a rental. All twenty of the D600s did. (Emphasis supplied.) [LINK]
    I'm not used to a lot of dust, folks. What's the deal?
    --Lannie
     
  2. If you read the rest of the post you linked to, they have a hypothesis as to why this seems to be such a problem with the D600, a hypothesis that seems extremely reasonable to me.
     
  3. I read the rest.
    I googled the D800, hoping that perhaps I would not face that problem if I moved to the D800.
    Alas, this is what I got:
    [LINK]

    What are other users finding with either the D600 or D800? I have not noticed dust on the D90, D3200, orD7000. I have not noticed it with Canon, either.
    --Lannie
     
  4. I bought one here in Denpasar last tuesday, after using it for 4 days with a lot of changing lenses there was some dust that I could easily blow away, nothing unusual....
    Jan.
     
  5. I'm renting a D600 this weekend. So far, I haven't noticed any dust spots, but I haven't looked closely at the images.

    What happens if you buy one with this problem?
     
  6. I bought one here in Denpasar last tuesday, after using it for 4 days with a lot of changing lenses there was some dust that I could easily blow away, nothing unusual....​
    I can't say that the amount of dust that I saw was excessive, either, although I have been blessed with low-dust cameras in the past (both Canon and Nikon). The dust on the D600 also was not the reason that I returned it to Amazon (for a full refund, by the way). Rather, I wanted to get a D800--but, again, not because of dust. Since the dust was pointed out to me (after I had already decided to return it), I have been on hold as to what to buy.
    What concerns me more than dust is the possibility that it is not dust but oil.
    --Lannie
     
  7. lwg

    lwg

    My D800 had oil spots after the first 1000 shots or so. Then oil smears as I tried to clean it. Finally got a different kit and was able to get it cleared up. They haven't come back yet. I assume it was excess oil from manufacturing that sprayed off the shutter.
     
  8. L G, my D800 had the same problem, oil spots. I noticed that within two weeks after I bought it. It had to be cleaned with
    wet method. I am pretty sure they came from factory. My brush is contaminated with oil now.
     
  9. Here I am trying to figure out what to buy. No doubt there is anecdotal evidence of such cases in involving other brands, but right now all that I know is that most of the examples I am seeing are coming from the Nikon side of the fence.
    How can I be sure that I am getting a representative sample of how many times these problems occur with other brands as compared to Nikon?
    I'll be blunt: I didn't have these problems with the 5D II. My example is also just anecdotal data, but it's all I have right now. I don't know where one gets good aggregate data on such matters.
    --Lannie
     
  10. Well, I've used the D800 since June and haven't yet seen anything that would suggest a sensor clean was needed (or useful). I swap lenses all the time, in and outdoors.
     
  11. I think you hear scare stories about many newly released cameras. I don't think they should put you off. I just got a d600 and have
    carefully checked - no dust. I'm more worried about the prospect of oil as more difficult to remove. I'm not going let this spoil my
    enjoyment of a brilliant camera.
     
  12. and don,t forget those of us using Capture NX2 can always use the dust off feature.
     
  13. Ditto the D800 experience, mine got a few bad marks on the sensor very quickly, couldn't clean them or blow them off; probably oil. Local Nikon agent gave it a free sensor clean under warranty, which does make you assume that this is a known issue with these cameras. Since then it has been very clean, well, at least nothing very obvious at any rate. I'm assuming that the D600 is giving similar issues when new, it should calm down soon though.
     
  14. I have my D600 about 3 weeks now, no dust problems seen yet. May be a temporary dust contamination in one of the assembling facilities. This might require more cleaning than the sensor alone. As all D600 should be under warranty at the moment it shouldn't be a problem to get cleaned affected cameras professionally.
     
  15. Received my D800 in June...no left focus point issue and no dust after extensive use. Just returned from 3 weeks in Colorado and New
    Mexico where I shot over 24 GB's of jpg fine images, changing lenses many times...no problems...and the most "keeper images" I've ever
    had from any camera.

    John Rogers
    Austin, Texas
     
  16. no problems...and the most "keeper images" I've ever had from any camera.​
    That's the bottom line, and that is what I was hoping to hear.
    How to pay for it? Well, I guess that's my problem.
    Thanks to everyone.
    --Lannie
     
  17. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    I have been using a D600 test sample for about 5 weeks. I haven't noticed any dust spots on any real-live images I have captured so far. I just set the shutter speed to B and use a flash light to help inspect the sensor, and it look clean to my eyes.
    However, I also captured the image of a clear sky at f22, and sure enough, there are some dust spots on the upper left of the frame, more so than any other area. So I used a blower to clean the sensor. Since they are not showing up in more normal apertures, I won't worry about it.
     
  18. Please try to understand that the camera is but a tool to your photography. Getting the very latest model may (or may not) provide you with the best image possible. It's a combination of timing, light, lens, and your mental ability to capture the image you want on a digital sensor (or film.)
    Dust, if it gets into a image -- can be removed in post-processing.
     
  19. Thanks, Shun. I typically ignore dust at f/22 because I don't shoot there!
    --Lannie
     
  20. Please try to understand that the camera is but a tool to your photography. Getting the very latest model may (or may not) provide you with the best image possible.​
    No kidding? I got my first SLR thirty-five years ago this past spring and I had always assumed that the best would make me a photographic genius. Now you tell me that that's not necessarily true. I'm devastated.
    --Lannie
     
  21. "However, I also captured the image of a clear sky at f22, and sure enough, there are some dust spots on the upper left of the frame, more so than any other area. So I used a blower to clean the sensor. Since they are not showing up in more normal apertures, I won't worry about it."

    Upper left is exactly what the lensrental.com people have been noticing on body after body, which is why they've come up with the hypothesis concerning the shutter assembly. They also hypothesize that with time the problem will become less noticable.
     
  22. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    Getting the very latest model may (or may not) provide you with the best image possible.​
    Jerry, that is not the impression I get watching the Nikon commercials. With the latest Nikon cameras, I can catpure the same great images Ashton Kutcher can.
     
  23. Jerry, I didn't meant to sound so sarcastic. The fact is that I am a compulsive cropper. I compose once in the filed, and then I come back inside and see what other compositions might be there.
    The only downside I can see right now to the D800 is storage space and processing time--but storage gets cheaper every year.
    --Lannie
     
  24. lwg

    lwg

    Shiang, I was using the Delkin sensor wipes, but they just smeared the oil. Bought the Sensor Swabs and Eclipse and the sensor was cleaned after two wipes. I don't know what product you are using, but for the oil I would highly recommend a disposable wipe like the Sensor Swab.
     
  25. "Jerry, I didn't meant to sound so sarcastic"
    You come here to ask questions of people and then respond in this way. The short answer is YES you did mean to sound sarcastic, the whole content of your response was heavy with sarcasm.
    Something more in the way of a fullsome apology would be in order. This sort of offhand reply is not acceptable when someone is giving well intentioned advice. People don't know your personal history beforehand and the fact you may have bought an SLR 35 years ago means nothing about your photography knowledge, you obviously haven't learnt anything about manners in more than that time.
    It's interesting you came back with the above quoted excerpt without having been challenged for your attitude, so perhaps the light did come on of its own accord. Might I suggest when you feel tempted to reply so dismissively that you sit and read your response through a few times before pressing submit.
    Frankly you deserve dust.
     
  26. Shiang, I was using the Delkin sensor wipes, but they just smeared the oil. Bought the Sensor Swabs and Eclipse and the sensor was cleaned after two wipes. I don't know what product you are using, but for the oil I would highly recommend a disposable wipe like the Sensor Swab.​
    LG, I looked up "Sensor Swabs" on Amazon but found more than one type. Do you have any idea which type would be most appropriate for the D600 or D800?
    --Lannie
     
  27. I noticed one big spot on my images after a week of shooting my D600. Then I saw the Lensrentals blog post about the d600 sensor dust, then watched their youtube video about sensor cleaning process, and ordered a loupe, bulb, lens pen kit, as well as a dust-aid platinum (around $80 all-in.) I figured I should have it in my kit anyway. Using the loupe I saw quite a lot of dust on the left side of my sensor- maybe 8-10 spots. Most of them blew off eventually, then I lens-penned the last few off (very lightly) then stamped the sensor w/ the dust-aid tool. Now it's clean. It was not oil. Lensrentals suggested that perhaps it was dust in the body that would eventually work its way out or settle down- I hope that's the case. Now that I have a good cleaning kit I guess I'll just check the sensor before shooting anything critical. Unless it gets worse I can't see myself sending it in for some as-yet-unknown and acknowledged "repair." I am in all other ways impressed w/ the camera.
     
  28. That's very encouraging, Adam. After all the problems I have had the past year, the idea of laying out $3k for a camera that is just going to cause troubles was not something that I could face. Dust I can deal with. Oil would be a lot more of a problem.
    I do appreciate the air or encouragement and helpfulness on the site.
    ---Lannie
     
  29. L G, Sensor Swab and Eclipse is what I used. It took me about 4-5 wipes to get it clean. It is my first DSLR, i might be
    too gentle, didn't really do anything in the first two wipes. It was a nerve racking experience, I hope I don't need to do it
    too often, but I also shoot primes most of the time, so what can you do?
     
  30. I find the Visible Dust Smear Away pads and solution remove fluid-like spots as-well as specks of dust on my D700 (and a friends D3)
    _________

    Oscar Wilde once said that "sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence"......:)
     
  31. Landrum

    For full frame, you should use type 3. I ordered extra PEC-PAD wipes along with the sensor swab survival kits.
     
  32. Thanks to everyone. I will need to be prepared now:
    I ordered the D800E late Sunday afternoon, October 28.
    Quite a leap for me. . .
    --Lannie
     
  33. Dust on the sensor is a fact of life you just need to clean it off..
     
  34. Dust is one thing. Stray lubricant is another..........:-(
    Yes, it's still gotta go, but it shouldn't be there in the first place.
     
  35. Well guess I'm lucky. I bought my D600 on the 1st day, and I've been using it with not too much dirt or spots on my images, and, I switch lenses a lot. I shot some 1000 images, and I did clean the sensor using a Sensorklear pen, but it has shown a lot less dirt than my former D7000 with the same usage. For me it's quite acceptable, until now.
     

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