Delta 400 @ 250 with Rodinal

Discussion in 'Black and White' started by brunomorez, Feb 20, 2010.

  1. Hey all,
    I got my hands on some Rodinal (R09 One shot, same chemical, different manufacturer, Rodinal is not available in Belgium anymore) and I've been trying it in combination with Tri-x 400.
    With normal dev times it produces ok results imo, but nothing spectacular.
    Now, on these boards I came across stand development, so I gave it a try. Tri-x at 400 gives good results but with the tri-x film rated at 250 things become interesting.
    Here's tri-x rated at 250, developed in Rodinal 1:200 for 2 hours. I agitated continuously (reversing) for 1 minute in the beginning, and did one more gentle agitation after an hour. The rest was stand. Temperature was about 21-22°C (hard to control).
    First picture is my dad, pretty bad focusing but it was only meant as a test roll anyway (f1.8 or there about, shitty scan I know)
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    The second picture is a bridge near where I live.
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    Both pictures taken with a Nikon FE2 with a standard 50 mm lens.
    Is it possible to acquire similar tonality using Delta 400 and Rodinal with a stand dev procedure? Difference in grain isn't a big deal, but I really like the tonality I'm getting here.
     
  2. I'd stick with Tri-X in Rodinal type developers. Delta 400 is a very different animal, and can go flat during long developments or in Rodinal. D-76 type developers work best with new tech films like Ilford Delta and Kodak TMAX.
     
  3. Bruno,
    I don't know who told you that you can't get rodinal in Belgium anymore. I'm sure that there's a few stores in Brussels that you can get it from. Aliphoto near the place Rouppe still has some that I know of.
    Otherwise you can always order it from Fotoimpex in Berlin. I ordered some stuff there last week on Sunday and it was delivered on Tuesday. If your order is over 100€ they give free shipping.
    As Delta 400 isa t-rain film I'd shoot it at 400 as with pulling it it tends to get a bit flat.
    Erwin
     
  4. Rodinal can develop anything, period. People not getting the results they want ether don't know how or just don't care.
    Stand developing gives the smoothest possible grain, but lowest contrast. That is how it is supposed to work. To give it an accelerated boost (more contrast) after the developer is drained from the tank, a borax bath (6 gr to 1 ltr of distilled water) for about 5-10 minutes. This reactivates some developer left behind in the emulsion. Stop and fix as normal.
     
  5. I've used Rodinal with Delta 400 and got excellent results: good tonality, crisp grain and sharpness. I'm not convinced that stand development is they way to go. I rated Delta 400 at 160 ASA and gave it 6 minutes in Rodinal at 1:50, 20C.
     
  6. Don't underestimate flickr.com as a research tool. Enter "delta 400 rodinal" or "delta 400 rodinal stand". Real world examples of what people actually achieve, and often the dilutions and time needed.
    You should do the same for any film/developer combination you think of trying.
    A lot of people have opinions but this will reveal the truth.
     
  7. Thanks for the replies.
    I developed in D76, because I didn't want to take any risks with the Rodinal, 1:1, 10 minutes @ 20 C, negs look pretty good to me.
    Thanks for the flickr idea, hadn't thought of it!
     
  8. I'm a bit more skeptical about using Flickr as a research tool. You have no idea of the scanner and more importantly the scanning software that was used. You can maybe get a rough idea. There are just too many variables thrown into the mix to come to a definitive conclusion.
     
  9. There is no guarantee I will make it across the street every time I try. I just do knowing that it is a reasonable conclusion. I would trust more of a visual sample than "because I said so". This is after all, a visual art.
     
  10. All you can do is try it and experiment. If the results work for you then that's all that matters! There is plenty of hot air blowing around the internet photo forums. Bracket your stops and record the exposure so you can repeat what you like and avoid what does not work.
     
  11. Bruno, Rodinal is a very good candidate for stand development. Delta is also a good candidate for a film in said Rodinal because of its tabbed structure. My preference is actually T-Max 400 in Rodinal 1:200 because it produces a little brighter results. The issue with selecting a developer for stand development is the developer either exhausts all at once, or doesn't exhaust quickly enough. Rodinal has an unusual characteristic of exhausting in a very linear fashion, and thus very good for stand development. As a rule, I prefer 100 speed films because the grain in faster films becomes a bit gritty with stand development. Acros in Rodinal is my favorite, but T-Max 400 is what I prefer for a higher speed film. It stays together quite well for longer development times.
    D-76 is not a great candidate for stand development because it is a bit too active, and will tend to blow out your highlights (and even mid-tones) when used for longer-than-prescribed development times. If you want a bit of a jump start on stand development, I wrote a book on the subject that might be of help to you. I'm glad to offer any advice as well. Russ' comment is very important. Keep a log of what works and what does not. The most difficult thing you can do when experimenting is to forget what you did or not allow for subjective analysis of your results.
     
  12. Artistically i love delta 400 in rodinal, its my favourite combination for minimal scenes in fog or mist and inland foilage scenes - has a lovely grain on distant detail and mid range detail, far nicer than any other film ive tried (anyone who likes grain free or clinical look should look elsewhere) - I use 1:25, 13.5mins, invert 1st 60 secs then 4 inversions every 3mins there after.......for coastal long exposures i use Tri-x with diafine......
    You just need to try things for yourself, its just personal opinion, there is no "one" perfect option for all, only for "yourself"....dont listen to anyone, try things and stay true to your opinion...
     

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