D700 and D300S Officially Discontinued

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by shuncheung, Jan 29, 2012.

  1. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    The D700 and D300S are now officially discontinued: http://www.nikon-image.com/products/discontinue/camera/#h301
    Of course that is widly expected as Nikon can no longer sell EN-EL3e-battery-based products in Japan due to new safety regulations. (However, the battery itself is not discontinued.) See this thread: http://www.photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00Zeyx
    As I have mentioned a couple of times, when production resumes at Nikon Thailand's factory (at the same or other locations), I wouldn't expect them to produce any more D300S. However, no replacement for either the D700 or the D300S has been announced at this point, although both are expected in the coming months.
    Interestingly, the D3S is not yet listed as discontinued although the D4 is clearly its replacement.
     
  2. They have both lived long and useful lives. It will be very interesting to meet their replacements when the time arrives.
     
  3. I wonder how this will affect the D700 prices on the used market. It is still a superb camera.
     
  4. and the release of D800 apparently imminent on 7th Feb. Must scrape all my nickels and dimes to buy the heavily discounted D700 (if they are still available :)
     
  5. I really doubt the d700 will be *heavily* discounted. I say no less than 2k...
     
  6. Or they could be heavily discounted and sell out rather quick:)
     
  7. We really don't know what will be announced, if anything, on Feb. 7. Two weeks ago they were saying Feb. 6. As for prices of used D700, so far no DSLR has resisted the force of gravity once a new model replaces it. It is of course inevitable that D300s and D700 will be replaced. I would bet at least the D300s would have been replaced last fall if it weren't for the disruptions.
    Kent in SD
     
  8. Wow! You guys can read Japanese?
     
  9. My comments are assuming that there's a new model. I don't really follow any nikon rumors...
     
  10. Again this is a discontinuation in the Japanese market; it seems Nikon was caught somewhat off guard about the battery situation since they don't appear to have the replacements ready. Otherwise, a normal sequence would be simply to announce the new products and discontinue the old ones when stock is depleted.
     
  11. "Wow! You guys can read Japanese?" No, but my wife can....
     
  12. I've yet to see any Nikon DSLR "heavily" discounted when the replacement was announced. At least not the NIB ones. Wait, I take that back - Best Buy - a few years ago was selling new D200's for $600.00 after the D300 was announced, but only because they had something like 15,000 or so to get rid of.
    Used markets are totally different - I've seen D700's going for $2,100 and D3's going for $2,200... Go figure that one out.
    Dave
     
  13. Looking into my crystal ball I see long and productive lives for both the D300(s) and the D700 currently in use. We are still seeing excellent photos posted on Photo.Net taken by D100/D200 cameras. Along with many other discontinued models.
    I'm having a hard time understanding this fixation on the latest Nikon camera release. Do the old cameras all of a sudden stop working properly? Granted the newer cameras function better at the extremes, but how often do we need that capability?
    I have a couple 24" x 36" prints mounted on my office wall taken with my D300 with good glass (17-55 f/2.8 and 70 -200 f/2.9 VR). For the 95% plus of us that don't need the extreme capabilities of the latest and greatest it's more a case of wanting the 'best' whether we need it or not.
    I was one of the founders of a local Porsche club years ago. You could not come even close to realizing the capabilities of these machines in the US. It was all about prestige, having the latest and the best. One of the other founders quietly acknowledged that his day-to-day go-to car was his Honda Accord.
    My D300 is going to take the same excellent pictures tomorrow that it took yesterday (given the photographer's limitations).
    I purchased my first Nikon in 1978, the newly introduced FE. It was my first SLR purchase, period. Back in the film days, was the announcement of a new camera body as eagerly anticipated as it is today? Did the new body drive down the price of the older bodies?
    Just curious,
    Mark
     
  14. I purchased my first Nikon in 1978, the newly introduced FE​

    I still use my FE. Its older then I am.
     
  15. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    Wow! You guys can read Japanese?​
    The page title specifies that these are "Old Products." You can use Google tranlate to get a translation. But you also get an idea about what these pages are all about if you pay attention to the URL. There are three pages in total:
    1. http://www.nikon-image.com/products/discontinue/camera/
    2. http://www.nikon-image.com/products/discontinue/lens/
    3. http://www.nikon-image.com/products/discontinue/others/
    The "others" page includes discontinued scanners, flashes, etc.
    Whether the D700 will have a huge drop in value depends on how the replacement will be like and how much that costs. For example, for still photography, the D4 is not that big an improvement over the D3S. For those who don't care about video capture, the D3S is still fine and therefore will likely hold its value pretty well. However, if there is a massive upgrade from the D700 to its successor, there will be a lot of D700 on the used market and prices will go down quickly. It is simple supply and demand. Without knowing how the D700's successor is like and more importantly, how much it costs, it is hard to guess.
     
  16. It seems like the evolution of digital cameras has been at a quicker pace with more innovation and features than previous models. The megapixel race seems to be slowing a bit. The film era camera models were introduced at a slower pace with fewer big impact features. There is a certain element of people that must have the very latest and greatest, whether it may be Nikon bodies or Porsches or houses or boats, and will soon sell these items when the next greatest thing comes along. Good for the rest of us who like to buy the items that are sold used for less than new, most of the time.
     
  17. Mark L. Cooper
    "I'm having a hard time understanding this fixation on the latest Nikon camera release. Do the old cameras all of a sudden stop working properly? Granted the newer cameras function better at the extremes, but how often do we need that capability?"
    the answer my friend, is blowing in the wind...as in provided by yourself, as in:
    "I was one of the founders of a local Porsche club years ago. You could not come even close to realizing the capabilities of these machines in the US. It was all about prestige, having the latest and the best. One of the other founders quietly acknowledged that his day-to-day go-to car was his Honda Accord."
    which of course reminds me of a porsche ad, oh 30 years or so ago. it went something like (paraphrasing) "if people could really live on real needs alone, we would still be living on bread and water". in a word (make that two), "desire" and "consumerism".
    not that hard to figure out, is it? :)
     
  18. "Must scrape all my nickels and dimes to buy the heavily discounted D700..."
    I wouldn't count on any deep discounts on new D700 bodies. There isn't much inventory in the system to clear out, and the D800 or whatever introductory price will certainly be higher, perhaps quite a bit higher, than the current D700 price.
    Same with the D300s ... not a lot of inventory in the system. No incentive to slash prices to clear the remaining stock.
    Used prices are sure to drop as the market is temporarily flooded by sellers looking to acquire the latest and greatest.
     
  19. Mark L. Cooper:
    "I'm having a hard time understanding this fixation on the latest Nikon camera release. Do the old cameras all of a sudden stop working properly? Granted the newer cameras function better at the extremes, but how often do we need that capability?
    My D300 is going to take the same excellent pictures tomorrow that it took yesterday (given the photographer's limitations)."
    maybe it's just me, but i suspect that the camera you had prior to your D300 still works properly as it used to, unless it got crushed or dunked in salt water...yet...or is it just me :)
     
  20. It's true that the older cameras will still work as well as they do now.
    However I would not compare the current DSLR situation with what happened in the past with film cameras.
    In the film era a body din't make old ones obsolete as one could produce the exact same quality images from both old and new bodies. New bodies meant more speed, more functions (auto exposure, AF...) but the image quality was never enhanced. Image quality was only dependent of lens and film, and obviously the person pushing the shutter release.
    In the current DSLR age camera bodies could be compared to computers with each new generation making the value of the older take a major dip. The reason is that image quality is now tightly dependent of the sensor inside the camera. Yes, the older bodies still produce as good images as they did when new but the new bodies are usually able to outshine this image quality sometimes by a huge margin. In the early days of digital photography it usually meant higher resolution as the jump from 2 Mpix to 5 Mpix, and then to now over 15 Mpix resulted in major improvements. Nowadays the improvements are in higher dynamic range and reduced noise at high ISO and long exposures.
    There will be a time when increments will become less obvious as in computers today but I don't think the world of digital photography has reached it yet.
     
  21. georges pelpel:
    "In the current DSLR age camera bodies could be compared to computers with each new generation making the value of the older take a major dip"
    quite so! the software trumps the hardware and vice versa. both empty my pockets of the nickels and of course, the dimes :)
     
  22. In this regard, the lack of inventory, due to the disasters in Japan and Thailand , is going to keep the prices up. I wouldn't be surprised if they were on a 10% discount , when the new ones hit the shelves, but that's about all I see them dropping. Will the rumored 36Mpx of the D800 make pictures so much better than the 12Mpx of the D700 that people will be willing to dump them at big loses ? Maybe. That means the USED market could have some good deals. Personally, I would be surprised if the camera was at 36Mpx. I would expect the D3x sensor, at 24Mpx to end up in the D800.
     
  23. Yes it would seem right to see the 24 Mpix D3x sensor in the D800 and 36 Mpix seems huge and, may be, a burden for those using older computers.
    However I also think the industry is suffering the same ills as the computer industry did ten years ago. They have advertised so much the advantages of high pixels sensors in the last few years that the consumer still regards a higher pixel count as the most important factor to compare a camera to another, same as they did for computers in the past; the higher processor speed was the defining criteria to choose a computer regardless of the processor type.
    The Pro market understands that two sensors with the same pixel count may not be equal but I am not sure the consumer market does. My thinking is that Nikon may have realized they lost some sales to Canon and Sony because of that and they are now trying to get ahead in the pixel war.
     
  24. It would make the D4 seem "under pixeled" if they throw 36 Mp in the D800. I don't think they want to under cut a brand new "flagship" camera.
     
  25. It would make the D4 seem "under pixeled" if they throw 36 Mp in the D800. I don't think they want to under cut a brand new "flagship" camera.​
    I said basically the same thing but my post was deleted somehow. What's up with that, Shun?
     
  26. The D4 doesn't address the same market segment, it is aimed at the sports/action photographers who prioritize frames per second over high resolution. If 36 Mpix is the true spec of the D800 I wouldn't be surprise to see Nikon release a D4x with the same resolution later tis year, this one aimed at the wedding/landscape/fine art shooters.
     
  27. This has probably been beaten to death somewhere but can some one point me to a link that explains what the safety issue is with the EN-EL3e?
    Thanks
    Stan
     
  28. The announcement is probably legal coverage. If some dealer in Japan sells one of the offending models, the company can claim that it's not their fault as the model has been officially discontinued.
     
  29. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    The problem with the EN-EL3e is its exposed electronic contacts. See these threads:
    1. http://www.photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00Zes5 where I posted an image showing the EN-EL3e and the EN-EL15 with hidden contacts. There is also a link to Nikon Japan's announcement about them stop selling EN-EL3e-based products starting on November 20, 2011. The Japanese safety regulation was changed on November 20, 2008 with a 3-year grace period, which expired on the same day in 2011. In other words, the change was already known even before the D300S was introduced in mid 2009: http://www.nikon-image.com/support/whatsnew/2011/wnew111108.htm
    2. http://www.photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00Zeyx
    It should be very obvious that the D700 and D300S' replacements will be announced in the near future, but exactly when and how they will be like remains to be seen. I would take all information from rumor sites with a grain of salt, although as long as they keep posting rumors after rumors, they may get some of it right some day. But until Nikon officially announces it, you'll just be wondering where the truth lies. No amount of rumors will bring you any new camera a second sooner.
     
  30. I'm so glad I traded in my two D70s bodies for two factory refurb D300s bodies just after the earthquake/tsunami last year for $1250 US each. I was hesitant at first, but when I realized that stock would soon be depleted, new models would be long delayed and that much more expensive, I went for it. I found that the D70s just did give me the frame rate or ISO I needed for the work I'm doing, mainly concerts and events.
     
  31. Maybe when the D900 come out the D700 would be affordable to myself ;-D And likewise the D500.
    My D70 only has 13,000 actuations.
     
  32. i understand that sony has announced some new P&S models with 18mp EXMORE sensors, so it appears that the megapixel wars are still being waged. at first i was put off by a 36mp FX camera, but having had several weeks to think about it, it makes more sense. if this refresh is supposed to carry nikon for 2-3 years, a 24mp camera would almost instantly have been leapfrogged by canon. as it stands, the current canon D700 equivalent is already up to 21mp, which has made nikon, by contrast, appear seriously "under-pixeled". that said, i'm still not thrilled about 36mp, but this is exactly where the rumor industry comes up short: we have no way of knowing what other cameras might be in the pipeline that would offer D3s- or D4-type low-light performance in a D700 form factor. that would be the camera for me; what's much less certain is whether such a camera fits into nikon's marketing strategy.
     
  33. Shun Cheung
    Thank you for the info. I am glad that there is nothing wrong with the battery itself. I have wondered how manufacturers have gotten away with exposed contacts on Li-Ion batteries relying on plastic covers (that are easily lost) and internal short circuit protection. Just have to remember not to throw the battery in your pocket with loose change :).
    Stan
     
  34. "I would take all information from rumor sites with a grain of salt, although as long as they keep posting rumors after rumors, they may get some of it right some day."
    But be honest, did you happen to stumble across the discontinued list, or did you read about it first on a rumour site like the rest of us..? :)
    More seriously - I assume there's been no change in the status of the batteries themselves - i.e., genuine Nikon EN-EL3e batteries etc. will continue to be available as suggested in the previous discussion?
     
  35. kent stabus:
    "We really don't know what will be announced, if anything, on Feb. 7. Two weeks ago they were saying Feb. 6. As for prices of used D700, so far no DSLR has resisted the force of gravity once a new model replaces it."
    well, maybe. but if an discontinuation announcement is made, rumors or no rumors, there is no doubt that some announcement about some new thingy is imminent. but maybe it's just the optimistic me :)
     
  36. richard williams:
    "But be honest, did you happen to stumble across the discontinued list, or did you read about it first on a rumour site like the rest of us..? :)"
    ha!!!! dat's da question my friend! :)
     
  37. ShunCheung

    ShunCheung Administrator

    There are a few Nikon sites that I check periodically. The discontinued items is one.
    The other interesting case was that when Nikon introduced the 40mm/f2.8 AF-S DX macro last year, Josh and I received advanced information under NDA about two weeks in advance, and I wrote a preview: http://www.photo.net/equipment/nikon/lenses/40mm-f2.8-af-s-dx-micro/preview/. However, there was absolutely no rumor about it anywhere on the web. The usual rumor sites, Thom Hogan, etc. did not find out until it was officially announced.
    Due to the Japan earthquake and later on Thai flood last year, Nikon announced exactly one new DSLR (D5100) and two F-mount lenses in all of 2011 (the 50mm/f1.8 AF-S and the 40mm DX I mentioned earlier). Of course there were the V1 and J1 cameras, the SB-910, and a bunch of Coolpix cameras. But one DSLR and two F-mount lenses was very little over 365 days. (And since the rumor sites had absolutely no idea about the 40mm DX in advance, they only had correct rumors for exactly one F-mount lens in all of 2011, which Nikon USA leaked themselves.) So how did those rumor sites fill their pages day after day? A lot of hot air, of course.
     
  38. On the swiss Nikon price list D700 and D300s are still listed, while the D3s has disappeared (D3x still listet though). Different stock quantities in different countries? I too don't expect prices to fall too much (street price of D300s in Switzerland is around 1'350 CFH today compared to 1'890 CHF list price), with the D700 / D800 it will depend on the D800 list price: should it be much more expensive (+30% or more compared to D700), D700 will remain stable. Wait and see....
     
  39. If the D700 successor has a 36Mp sensor this makes it a very interesting instrument to combine with DX format lenses as this still leaves you with around 15Mp. The D700 with 5Mp is hardly an alternative.
    For travelling and to save weight you could combine very interesting sets of lenses, just to name an example 14-24 FX (or 12-24DX), 16-85DX and 70-200mmFX lenses and thus gain great flexibility.
     
  40. The usual rumor sites, Thom Hogan, etc. did not find out until it was officially announced.​
    I think, if I'm not misreading, that you're including Hogan among the rumor sites.
    (And since the rumor sites had absolutely no idea about the 40mm DX in advance, they only had correct rumors for exactly one F-mount lens in all of 2011, which Nikon USA leaked themselves.) So how did those rumor sites fill their pages day after day? A lot of hot air, of course.​
    This is unfair to Hogan, who frequently has interesting things to say in his site and produces superb camera manuals, much clearer and more detailed than the English-language ones from Nikon. I often find him a little unpleasant, but I don't believe he is simply blowing hot air. It's true that he doesn't get advance notice (or any other perks that one can point to) from Nikon, but that may be because he has a Nikon-oriented site which often skewers Nikon foibles.
     

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