Cracks and Bridges (symbols)

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by Julie H, Jun 17, 2017.

  1. cracks:

    The glacier knocks in the cupboard
    The desert sighs in the bed,
    And the crack in the tea-cup opens
    A lane to the land of the dead.

    W.H. Auden, "As I Walked Out One Evening"​

    A crack can be an opening into the world of imagination, like in Auden's poem, while the crack in the ordinary teacup makes it a leaky container, no longer safe. The original meaning of the word comes from the sound it makes, as if something is breaking.

    ... Cracks evoke dryness, like the barren earth ... , the dry lips of fever or a house no longer cared for.

    ... Leonard Cohen describes it in song: "There is a crack in everything / that is how the light gets in."

    ... like Auden's teacup, the crack in the door, neither inside nor outside, may open up to the liminal place where poetry is born.

    Between what I see and what I say,
    between what I say and what I keep silent,
    between what I keep silent and what I dream,
    between what I dream and what I forget:

    Octavio Paz​

    [all of the above is from The Book of Symbols: Reflections on Archetypal Images]



    Bridge is a structure and pathway, a linking of opposing sides of a landscape often separated by a void. The latter may take many forms: the depths of river, lake or waterfall; a chasm in the earth, the gap between two people, given differences in language, personality or goals; the mythologized breach between heaven and earth, conscious and unconscious, time and eternity. — The Book of Symbols; Reflections on Archetypal Images

    Two points stand out: the symbolism of passage, and the dangerous nature of this transition, which is that of any 'journey' of initiation.

    ... legends show the anxiety aroused by passage over a difficult and dangerous place and corroborate the general symbolism of bridges and their meaning in dreams. They are a danger to be overcome, but also a decision to be taken. Bridges set men and women on a narrow path in which they meet the unavoidable obligation to choose — and that choice is salvation or damnation. — The Penguin Dictionary of Symbols
  2. . bridge_both.jpg

    This is the bridge on my driveway. It's engineered to take anything that will fit on it. There are eight of those steel beams narrowly spaced under oak decking.

    But tell that to the skinny little FedEx driver in his minivan who refuses to cross it, leaving my packages in the middle of the road in the rain — just short of the bridge (which I can't see from my house). I guess he knows damnation when he's looking at it. (In fairness, more than one driver has refused to cross it.)
  3. Norman 202

    Norman 202 i am the light

    crack is also a synonym for smack.
  4. ... and for p()$$y. Do we want to go there?
  5. Norman 202

    Norman 202 i am the light

  6. Norman 202

    Norman 202 i am the light

  7. Norman 202

    Norman 202 i am the light

    why not. can't u find any quotes about pu$$y or smack.
  8. Norman 202

    Norman 202 i am the light

    is he frightened of you and if so, why? or is this about you and people like you who have their interactions with the world delivered by mail? people who can't buy things in shops, who can't interact with others, can't photo people but love photos of twigs?
  9. Ray House

    Ray House Ray House

    Alright...somebody left the lid off of the TROLL jar and one of them got out!
  10. Sandy Vongries

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  11. Norman 202

    Norman 202 i am the light

    this is the troll forum, BOZO. just ask Julie
  12. Ray House

    Ray House Ray House

    Well Norman, I guess you got me!

  13. Norman 202

    Norman 202 i am the light

    ok, ray. what's your take on that. let me give u a clue, have u ever fcked a stranger?
  14. Ray House

    Ray House Ray House

    What your clue tells me're not worth any more of my time.
  15. I think they are Norman's desperate appeal to be ignored and forgotten. I would empathize and respect his wishes.
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  16. Cracks to me are dents in something that is in equilibrium. They are also like networks connecting other domains. Disruption of stability (static state) can facilitate connection/exploration of other domains. A large crack is a fissure, but fissures and cracks IMO have different feelings. Fissures are like boundaries between domains. For a long time, I thought the cracks in Michelangelo's Creation of Adam are parts of the original picture. I think, those cracks that have appeared over time form an essential element of my appreciation of that work.

    Bridges can both connect and assure. I think, your (Julie's) bridge picture gives assurance, but the Fedex driver thought otherwise.

  17. Provided your mail is rain proof :)
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  18. Actually the fact that Julie posted these "the obvious made dense" quotes from poets I've never heard of over what appears as venting over a FedEx driver's concern for self preservation from crossing a bridge that might not be up to code prevents me from being outraged by the pretentiousness of the meaningless quotes.

    How did that happen?! Amazing, I'm not pissed off! I'm actually laughing as I write this.

    These quotes are how Julie expresses derision. It all makes sense now!
  19. I just can't resist: towels4.jpg
  20. Where do you see intelligence in Julie's quotes, Phil? Where do you see anti-intellectualism in this thread? And why do you think you can speak for everyone about what is intelligent discourse?

    Those poems are just conscious inner voice riffing only the author can know its meaning and others can only read into as Julie demonstrated in her OP. Just because one sees them self as an intellectual doesn't guarantee they're able to communicate emotions or thoughts effectively. Same goes for those that read into something no one else gets. I guess if I was in an hallucinogenic state from a fevered mind and those quoted poems opened up a mind blowing whole other world for me, I still wouldn't consider this the mark of intelligence. It doesn't make the world a better place except for the self absorbed.
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2017
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