Dave Luttmann Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I just saw the news that Cosina has ceased production of all their R2, R3, R4 cameras. Sad news for rangefinder photographers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karim Ghantous Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 <p>I think it's just the M models, not the A models.</p> <p>http://leicarumors.com/2015/09/29/three-voigtlander-bessa-film-rangefinder-cameras-one-vm-lens-and-many-accessories-discontinued.aspx/</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jochen_S Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 <p>Those were stopped earlier, Karim. http://leicarumors.com/2013/07/03/voigtlander-bessa-a-film-rangefinder-cameras-are-now-discontinued.aspx/ - So black Zeiss Ikons are the only ones still in production?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_Es Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 All Zeiss Ikons have been out of production for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mukul_dube Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 <p>Used RF cameras should remain available far into the future.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Smith Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 <p>It is a shame. Only the Leica M7 I think is still available routinely as an "old fashioned" film rangefinder.</p> Robin Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Luttmann Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 Karim, it is all models. The A series was cancelled a year ago. Very sad to see these cameras go. I love my R2a. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karim Ghantous Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 <p>Wow. This is very sad. But it must be said that a new Bessa can cost as much as a used Leica. So...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_drew4 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 <p>Sad to see the market further devolve away from film bodies, but nobody seems surprised. Collectors will have their units for decades longer. Perhaps mine will be scattered with my heirs; who knows? ;-)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike D Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 <p>I always thought Cosina was in the best position to slap a sensor on the back of their cameras and make them digital RF bodies. They could have done this from the start of the digital age. The Fuji XT1 has kind of taken over from where Cosina left off. Too bad. Definite lack of vision bu Cosina. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karim Ghantous Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 <p>Michael, you are damned right. Remember Huw Finney? He single-handedly built a digital Leica M2 (with a monochrome sensor). If Cosina did that, they'd be able to afford to keep making the 35mm bodies. :-)</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_s Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 <p>Kharim, I remember Mr Finney trying to do that, but he disappeared and I never saw that the project reached completion. Do you have a link that shows his results? </p> <p>I remember being interested and very impressed that he was able to do this. It was in the pre-M8 era.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike D Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 <p>There was also German company that had a prototype digital back that you could theoretically be put on any body. Since it was so early in the digital camera cycle, it was low res and didn't gain traction. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karim Ghantous Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 <p>Dave, I know as much as anyone else, I'm afraid.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Lazzari Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 <p><strong>So many</strong> "cheap" and GREAT film cameras available from websites like Ebay etc. <br />Coupled to something like ebay's easy 45 day buyer return policy protection (along with the over-supply dynamic),<br> how can the "used" buyer go wrong & therefore, <strong>why buy a NEW </strong>mediocre camera<strong>?</strong></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Williams Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 <blockquote> <p>I always thought Cosina was in the best position to slap a sensor on the back of their cameras and make them digital RF bodies. They could have done this from the start of the digital age.</p> </blockquote> <p>They already did. The Epson R-D1 was built by Cosina and is basically a Bessa. At one point some people thought their collaboration with Zeiss might also produce a digital RF, but sadly not.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbright Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 <p>Violins anyone?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aplumpton Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 <p>A camera is a box with certain functional controls that allows light to pass through optics to expose film or a sensor. In this sense V-C made (or makes, as I am not sure they have quit film cameras completely) very functional cameras, like Honda makes an Accord and Mercedes makes one of its smaller sedans. One may be smoother and longer lasting, but the result is not very different. Most photographers do not push a camera to its limits and durability and the V-C is just as good under those conditions as a Leica (I have owned both).</p> <p>The gentleman who runs Cosina has given us over the past few decades some very useful and innovative 35mm and medium format RF cameras and optics, some (for example, the 12mm 5.6 superwide lens) of the latter of which no other company has supplied. I thus wouldn't go as far as Gus in describing the V-C cameras (or optics) as mediocre, although I recognize that prices of a used M6 (but not an M7) would not be very much higher (2X, 3X? than a new R camera.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_elwing Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 <p>Well said, Arthur. I hope they keep on with RF lenses. I think with their 15 & 12 lenses they need to look at graduated ND centre filters to work more happily with digital M's, and that Leica should code lenses like these where they don't actually make those focal lengths themselves.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Williams Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 <blockquote> <p>...although I recognize that prices of a used M6 (but not an M7) would not be very much higher (2X, 3X? than a new R camera.</p> </blockquote> <p>Here in the UK, there wasn't really even much of a price advantage. A new Bessa were about £700, with a decent M6 available for about £800. Of course the Bessa looks like a huge bargain compared to Leica's new film body pricing, and a secondhand Bessa (when you can find one) is usually very reasonable.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie_webster1 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 <p>latest is they will announce a new digital camera shortly......<br> or that's the chatter today.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Luttmann Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Charlie, where is that the chatter? I'd like to read about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbright Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 <p>Here;<br> http://photorumors.com/2015/10/08/voigtlander-is-considering-to-start-a-new-line-of-digital-cameras/</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aplumpton Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 <p>The 23 discontinued items, including a handful of M mount cameras, are of course only a part of their current production. They also previously discontinued the Nikon and Contax RF mount Voigtlander editions. The company does not appear to be dead by a long shot. </p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donbright Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 <p>Presuming it will contain a full frame sensor.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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