stuart_pratt Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I recently bought one of these for not much money and it’s in great condition but I’ve noticed it only opens up to f/4 when focussed at the closest distance. Is this normal? Seems odd to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodeo_joe1 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) Yes, it's normal. It's called aperture/distance compensation and Zeiss Jena were one of very few companies to incorporate the feature. Technically, all unit-focussing lenses (where the whole lens moves to focus) change aperture as the focus is shifted closer. I.e. The aperture number gets larger as the lens is focused away from infinity. Zeiss Jena indicated this change by having the aperture ring rotate with the focus to indicate the true, effective, maximum aperture of the lens. But strangely the feature was only implemented on a few lenses; the 'zebra stripe' 35mm f/2.8 Flektogon being one of them. For the technically minded, the mechanism used was very simple: The slide coupling the aperture iris to the control ring was simply slanted at such an angle that as the lens and iris moved forward the coupling was rotated by a few degrees, effectively limiting the indication of the control ring to reflect the true maximum aperture. Note: Once the aperture ring is turned away from maximum the indication no longer follows the effective aperture properly. So not really a very useful idea. Just a reminder that 'what you see is not what you get' with a close focussed lens, aperture-wise. Incidentally, the later 35mm f/2.4 Flektogon is a much sharper and better corrected lens, but it doesn't have the aperture compensation. Edited January 15, 2022 by rodeo_joe|1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q.g._de_bakker Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 So if the effective f-stop is reduced when focussing close, why does it make sense to limit the physical diaphragm setting to less than full open? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuart_pratt Posted January 15, 2022 Author Share Posted January 15, 2022 Yes, it's normal. It's called aperture/distance compensation and Zeiss Jena were one of very few companies to incorporate the feature. Technically, all unit-focussing lenses (where the whole lens moves to focus) change aperture as the focus is shifted closer. I.e. The aperture number gets larger as the lens is focused away from Incidentally, the later 35mm f/2.4 Flektogon is a much sharper and better corrected lens, but it doesn't have the aperture compensation. Brilliant, thanks. I’ve had a chance to play with it a bit more now and can see that change in aperture gradually as you focus from infinity all the way to 18 cm. The 2.4 would be nice I’m sure but this will do for 30 quid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 The Flektogon is one of the contenders for being the first use of retrofocus to fit a wide-angle into a 35mm camera with a mirror. 1950 Flektogon and 1950 Angénieux 35mm f/2.5 RF R1 retrofocus Flektogon 35mm f/2.8 - one of the first wide-angle lenses for SLRs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q.g._de_bakker Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Carl Zeiss Jena and Carl Zeiss Oberkochen were indeed not far behind, if at all. However Angenieux managed to have the name he chose for his lenses (for colour cinematography using beam splitters behind the lens first), Retrofocus, become the generic type name. That will be, i believe, because he may not have been the first introducing Retrofocus lenses for stills cameras, but his cinema Retrofocus lens preceded all of the contenders for first-in-stills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gammill Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Would reducing maximum aperture at close focusing distances reduce light fall off that is sometimes more noticeable at close focus distances? Not owning this version of the lens I'm only guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernard_lazareff Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 So if the effective f-stop is reduced when focussing close, why does it make sense to limit the physical diaphragm setting to less than full open? No, It's still the same physical aperture, maximum. But, as seen from a point in the focal plane, the aperture "circle" (technically, the exit pupil) is farther (because the lens moved forward), and therefore looks smaller and delivers less light in the focal plane. This feature of the 35/2.8 spares the user the calculation of exposure compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
q.g._de_bakker Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 No, It's still the same physical aperture, maximum. But, as seen from a point in the focal plane, the aperture "circle" (technically, the exit pupil) is farther (because the lens moved forward), and therefore looks smaller and delivers less light in the focal plane. This feature of the 35/2.8 spares the user the calculation of exposure compensation. I know. But the OP said the lens only opens to f4, not to effective f/4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDMvW Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 As an aside, in the early days after the war, both East and West Zeiss cooperated quite a bit, both borrowing designs (with name changes, often) and sometimes actually importing lenses from east to west, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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