colin_miller3 Posted August 13, 2000 Share Posted August 13, 2000 I went to a field trip today sponsored by ASMP and Pro Photo Supply from Portland, Oregon. Kinda fun but the cool part is all the new Canon gear for fall (September) 2K. <p> Elan 7e. Bad ass little camera. All black, dedicated DOF preview near lens dismount button, 7 AF points, 4 fps, wireless flash with 550EX's like it's big brother the EOS-3, 13 CF's with a new function for switching AF points with a touch of a button. Not sure about that exactly so don't ask. Rear control dial now has 4 buttons (N, S, E, W) for using that CF to adjust which AF points are active. The response time from whne your eye looks at a focus point is now 35ms. Down from 220ms on the Elan IIe. About $530 list. And $630 with new consumer zoom listed below. Awesome. Totally awesome. More may come to me later. I am so tired. <p> New flash. 420EX replaces 380EX and adds about 20 feet of GN and is a receiver flash for wirelss from EOS-3 and Elan 7e. That's right kids, new flash unit that is slave only if necesary. And only $199 list. Ha Nikon, take that. Much cheaper than buying 550EX's for slave mode only. <p> New 28-90 f/35~5.6 zoom to debut with Elan 7e. <p> No news of a IS version 70-200 f/2.8. Muy tight lipped on that. I asked directly, too. <p> Chew on this for your Sunday dinner. Later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin_miller3 Posted August 13, 2000 Author Share Posted August 13, 2000 Almost forgot the new DS1 digital camera. Awesome little dude too. $3500 list. (gulp) Practically same GUI as the EOS3 or Iv. They wouldn't let us actually take photos with it. We could just look at it and drool. I might be able to answer a few questions about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johan_berglund1 Posted August 13, 2000 Share Posted August 13, 2000 Thanks for the info. Seems like a nice little camera, really! Any info whether it has spot metering or not? That and buttons and dial on the vertical grip are the only things I miss on my EOS50E. So do you know if there's a new vertical grip with all controls, or if it uses the same as the previous model (BP-50) with just a shutter release. From the pics I've seen of the camera, the size of the camera and the grip design looks very similar to the EOS Elan II/50 and not like the new EOS D-30 like some have said. <p> Regards, Johan Berglund Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric_ung Posted August 13, 2000 Share Posted August 13, 2000 I am also looking forwards to the release of the Elan 7 and seriously considering it as the second body if it has a internal flash. You know, carrying two EOS 3 is often too energy consuming for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salman_akhtar1 Posted August 13, 2000 Share Posted August 13, 2000 From the picture, it appears to have a white AF assist beam in place of the excellent near-IR beam on the 5 and 50. If that is so, it is a step backwards. If there are 4 buttons on the back (a la Nikon F100, F5) then I hope it still has the rear command dial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin_miller3 Posted August 13, 2000 Author Share Posted August 13, 2000 I'm awake again and I remember more stuff. <p> No spot metering still. A 9.5% partial just like the Elan II. Built in flash that pops up with your right index finger instead of a button. The design of the camera is still basd on the Elan II and not the EOS 3. The eye control function is now a 3 position switch instead of cycling through focus modes with a button. New VG grip called he BP-300. Adds custom function button for vertical release. Canon is discontinuing the A2 and Elan II and just offering the Rebel 2K, Elan 7, EOS 3 and EOS 1v. And the D30 digital of course. The rear control dial is still the same except it adds the four buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anony. Posted August 13, 2000 Share Posted August 13, 2000 I guess Elan IIs and A2s should be dirt cheap now! great time to buy for those who don't have to have the latest greatest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_mccormack Posted August 13, 2000 Share Posted August 13, 2000 Colin, <p> Do you recall how the AF points are arranged? It was reported elsewhere that the array was different than on the Rebel 2000, i.e., a "diamond" array, e.g., maybe <p> * * * * * * * <p> Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas_tamura Posted August 13, 2000 Share Posted August 13, 2000 Any idea what the sync speed is? I assume it has the high sync with the EX units, but what is the "normal" sync speed? <p> Did someone post a photo of this camera? If so, please pass along a URL. <p> Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johan_berglund1 Posted August 13, 2000 Share Posted August 13, 2000 http://trends.dts.cet.pt/users/dulcev/ELAN7.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amir_abad3 Posted August 13, 2000 Share Posted August 13, 2000 Does it have a mirror lockup/prefire? I was planning to buy an A2 but i would prefer to wait for this camera OR should i buy A2 now? Im confuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim_strutz Posted August 13, 2000 Share Posted August 13, 2000 Wait 3 months and then buy the A2. It'll be cheaper then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth_ingram Posted August 13, 2000 Share Posted August 13, 2000 It all sounds great, a body with some good features (particularly a dedicated DOF control) but without the high price of the EOS-3. I have a Rebel 1000F and I'm looking for something better. But you know, if Canon is going to 'cripple' the Elan7e by not providing spot metering I might just sell out and get a Nikon F80S - it doesn't seem to be such a compromise. Real shame, real shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeo_eng Posted August 14, 2000 Share Posted August 14, 2000 Sorry, I don't know how to get into a querry mode. Instead I got into this. Please tell me what would the weight of this camera be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek_clarke Posted August 15, 2000 Share Posted August 15, 2000 For those complaining about the lack of a true spot meter, I'd point out that Canon have never offered one in a body below the T90 and EOS3. <p> They really like 9.5% semi-spot metering for some reason. <p> As far as the camera goes, it looks identical in layout to the D30 to me, except the controls on the back will be different. <p> It is still a mystery to me why the D30 only has 3-point AF considering what the Elan 7/EOS 30 has. <p> I was planning to rationalise my current collection of film bodies so I just had a D30 and an EOS 30 as backup, but it won't be as effective given the different AF patterns :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_ericson Posted August 15, 2000 Share Posted August 15, 2000 Colin, Thanks for the info. Do you know the flash sync for the Elan 7? How are the autofocus sensors arranged? Does it autofocus to f8, or to f5.6? (I've been hoping for a camera with a flash sync of 1/250, autofocus to f8 and both a horizontal and vertical array of sensors. The 1V fits the bill, but is a bit pricey for me!) Thanks in advance for any additional info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin_miller3 Posted August 15, 2000 Author Share Posted August 15, 2000 I'm sure the flash sync will be 1/125th or greater. I have never been limited by the 1/125th of the Elan IIe. What's the big deal over flash sync speed? <p> The AF sensors are the same as the Rebel 2K. <p> * ***** * <p> Like that.... <p> I didn't ask if it focuses to f/8 or not. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjamin_librande Posted August 15, 2000 Share Posted August 15, 2000 So does anyone know what the 7 uses for an autofocus assist? I've heard it might use flash bursts? I hope this isn't so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian__ Posted August 16, 2000 Share Posted August 16, 2000 <<For those complaining about the lack of a true spot meter, I'd point out that Canon have never offered one in a body below the T90 and EOS3. >> <p> EOS 5 has 3.5% spot and thats enough for me. Plus I use it in 2/5 of my shots. I was drooling until I saw it has NO SPOT. I'd hope they also made a Elan7e(ye)s(pot) body. They won't, I know. <p> -mt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nguyen_thang1 Posted August 16, 2000 Share Posted August 16, 2000 w/o spot metering, max normal flash sync at only 1/125? I will stay w/ A2 just for the 3.5% spot metering and the 1/200 flash sync. <p> If I remember correctly, the arrangement of the 7 auto focus points on the Rebel 2K is something like this: * ***** * <p> NOT ******* <p> If Canon due away with the ElanII and A2, it seems to me like there is a big jump between Elan 7 to EOS 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck Posted August 16, 2000 Share Posted August 16, 2000 Are any of those sensors cross type? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_halliday Posted August 16, 2000 Share Posted August 16, 2000 Dear God: You have been gracious to me in my life. I an thankful. But PLEASE bless us here on Earth that the Elan 7 that Colin saw is only a early prototype and that the real one will have a @*#%ing SPOTMETER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergi_arbos Posted August 17, 2000 Share Posted August 17, 2000 Just a statement: (from 1990 until nowadays) <p> 1(x) cameras are pro. One digit cameras (Eos 5,3) are semipro. Two digit cameras (Eos 10,50,30) are advanced amateur models. Three digit cameras (Eos 100,500,500n,300) are for novice amateur / advanced beginer. Four digit cameras (Eos 1000,5000,3000) are for the beginer. <p> (of course you can be a rich novice who owns a Eos1v and you can be a pro who owns a 500n as a lightweight "just in case" compatible body). <p> This is the reason why EOS-30 (Elan7) dosen't has a spot metering like the Eos5, or other "top" features... I you want a pro-capable body... pay for it! :-) <p> I own a 5 and a 300 as a second body... I would like to buy the 3... but I'm afraid I will only be able to afford the 30 :-( <p> btw: Eos 300 autofocus sensors are placed in 3 rows: 1 horitzontal in first, 2 vertical one cross and 2 vertical in the second one and another horitzontal sensor in the last row. Like a cross. I supouse it will be the same in E30...(I've seen a couple of posts saying strange things...). <p> Sergi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin_miller3 Posted August 17, 2000 Author Share Posted August 17, 2000 >Dear God: You have been gracious to me in my life. I an thankful. But PLEASE bless us here on Earth that the Elan 7 that Colin saw is only a early prototype and that the real one will have a @*#%ing SPOTMETER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <p> Greg hit the nail on the head here. Sadly it is not an early prototype. I shot the production mopdel. I have come to terms with it though. The fact that the Elan IIe and the forthcoming 7e are all the camera I need except for very rare occasions, I will be buying a very nice handheld spotmeter. I know, I know. Slow, cumbersome if not using a tripod, all the arguments against them. But people have used them for years. The fact that I don't need any more of a camera than the 7e offers, solidifies my decision to get a Sekonic 504. Plus I will never need another. Flash, ambient, the whole enchilada. <p> I realized my previous post Re: AF sensor placement may have been confusing. The setup is identical to the Rebel 2000. I will try again. <p> sensor sensor x5 sensor <p> 1, 5, 1 is another way to view it. Top line, middle line, bottom line. <p> I am getting kind of excited about this whole thing. When the 3 debuted I was like, "Oh whatever." But this is a camera I can really utilize. The Canon rep I spoke about all this with showed me how to use predictive AF in servo mode. I love it and makes 7 sensors look really nice. The 45 sensors on the 3 is not so strange sounding now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanberglund Posted August 17, 2000 Share Posted August 17, 2000 Hi Colin, You've been giving us a lot of interesting information about the new EOS Elan 7(E). Thanks a lot for that. There's however still one thing I would like to know, that is if the new battery pack/grip, BP-300, has the control dial and button for AE-lock, and not only a shutter release button? I really hope it has because I often shoot vertical, and it's kind of awkward to push the AE-lock button on my EOS 50, not to mention to change aperture/shutter speed while holding it vertically by the BP-50 grip. I also hope they have put the tripod mount at centre of the grip, because the off centre position on the BP-50 makes it kind of unstable when used with a heavy lens. So if you know anything about the battery pack, please let us know...:-) <p> Best regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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