anders_carlsson Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>It's here: <a href="http://www.dpreview.com/news/1001/10010508canon70200isii.asp">http://www.dpreview.com/news/1001/10010508canon70200isii.asp</a></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_bryant1 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>Wow, I must say I didn't see that coming. It's very slightly heavier, has slightly better IS, better maximum magnification (0.21x versus 0.17x). Presumably sharper as well, though the old one is pretty sharp. Any word on the price?</p> <p>The good news is, this will probably drive down the price of the used Mk I. Lots of people have wanted that lens, and now it will be more affordable.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdigi Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>I would not count on it driving down the price of the MK I much if at all.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Smith Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>Yes, a surprise announcement. A better IS, presumably like the IS in the 70-200mm f4. More weight and more expense.</p> <p>What's next?</p> Robin Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_sibson1 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>Surprise? I don't think so. This has been one of the most hotly tipped new releases from Canon that I can remember in a long while, and it's easy to see why they have given it priority over a number of other possibilities at this point. Remember that this is a mainstream professional lens, as well as being popular with many advanced amateurs. Specialist lenses (TS24II, TS17, 100/2.8IS) have had a lot of development effort recently, and Canon need to maintain a balance. Remember also that now that they can do FF bodies, Nikon have just upgraded their equivalent lens from a design apparently optimised for 1.5-factor, and known to be a bit iffy on FF (by comparison with the Canon lens, at least), to a new version that has been well received. Improved IS is no surprise at all on the new Canon lens, but it looks from the optical specification as if Canon have thrown everything they have got at this lens – one fluorite and no less than five UD elements is unprecedented – so they are obviously aiming for the same sort of positive reception that the optical performance of the 70~200/4L IS received. Won't be cheap, mark you!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin_b.2 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>Why doesn't it use the new hybrid IS (100M 2.8)? Or did miss that?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike_stemberg Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>...and next the Canon 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS USM ?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_sibson1 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <blockquote> <p>Why doesn't it use the new hybrid IS (100M 2.8)? Or did miss that?</p> </blockquote> <p>Because, as Canon made abundantly clear in their initial announcement of the new hybrid IS system, it is relevant only for close-up/macro work. Expect to see hybrid IS in any replacement for the 180/3.5, and, if they take it through from a patent to an actual product, a 60/2.8 IS macro. Don't expect to see it in normal-focus lenses.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbp Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>Nice, but really necessary? How about a 24-70 f/2.8 with IS ? Now THAT would be a step up...</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Smith Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>Yes, I can see that anything that Canon can do to get the average professional to buy (for the nth) time a hoary old favorite and bread-and-butter lens like the 70-200mm is good (at $2000+) for their balance sheet, I'm not so sure it is really needed though.</p> Robin Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotograf Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>I think Dpreview has it wrong- Canon states the lens hood is not included, and Dpreview says it is.</p> <p><strong>SPECIFICATIONS</strong><br> Lens<br /> <br /> Focal Length & Maximum Aperture<br /> 70-200mm 1:2.8<br /> <br /> Lens Construction<br /> <br /> 23 elements in 19 groups (1 Fluorite and 5 UD elements)<br /> <br /> Diagonal Angle of View<br /> <br /> 34° - 12°<br /> <br /> Focus Adjustment<br /> <br /> Inner focusing system with USM. Full-time manual focus available<br /> <br /> Closest Focusing Distance<br /> <br /> 1.2m/3.94 ft. (maximum close-up magnification: 0.21x)<br /> <br /> Filter Size<br /> <br /> 77mm<br /> <br /> Max. Diameter x Length, Weight<br /> <br /> 3.5 x 7.8 in./88.8 x 199mm; 52.6 oz./1490g<br /> <br /> Lens Cap, Lens Hood & Pouch<br /> <br /> <strong>Lens Hood ET-87 (not included)</strong></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_bergman1 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>The ET-87 Lens Hood comes standard with the lens.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotograf Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>As you can see, Marc it is not included.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_bryant1 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>The hood is included. Quote from the press release:</p> <blockquote> <p><strong>High quality L-series accessories</strong><br> The EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM is supplied with several accessories, including the new ET-87 Lens Hood and the Ring-Type Tripod Collar B (W).</p> </blockquote> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotograf Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>Well why does it say on Canon's site that it isn't. Click the link and look for yourself</p> <p>http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=150&modelid=19092#ModelTechSpecsAct</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan_bryant1 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>Probably cut-and-pasted from another lens? Looks like the official sources have conflicting info, but based on Canon's track record I'm guessing it comes with the hood.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotograf Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>Hardly cut and pasted since it is from Canon's own web site. It could come with the lens, but again- Canon states it does not.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zml Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>Every L lens comes with the hood. No surprises here.<br> Canon knows how to cater to the people who really use their equipment: the 70-200/2.8 L IS is one of the most popular Canon zooms for sport/event shooters and since most lenses that size last only 2-3 years in pro's hands, the perpetual replacement cycle bodes well for the new model.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin_b.2 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <blockquote> <p>Because, as Canon made abundantly clear in their initial announcement of the new hybrid IS system, it is relevant only for close-up/macro work. Expect to see hybrid IS in any replacement for the 180/3.5, and, if they take it through from a patent to an actual product, a 60/2.8 IS macro. Don't expect to see it in normal-focus lenses.</p> </blockquote> <p>How is it not relevant? If you use this lens for sports handheld you are making more than just left to right panning movements. I do up and down and diagonal movements often. Isn't that what the hybrid system takes care of?</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_sibson1 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <blockquote> <p>How is it not relevant? If you use this lens for sports handheld you are making more than just left to right panning movements. I do up and down and diagonal movements often. Isn't that what the hybrid system takes care of?</p> </blockquote> <p>In a word, no. Ordinary IS takes care of all of that, and indeed of any movement that involves pointing the camera in a slightly different direction. Hybrid IS <strong>also</strong> compensates for very small movements of the camera at right angles to the lens axis that do not involve any change of direction ("parallel movements" rather than "rotational movements"). Such movements have a negligible impact on image sharpness unless the camera-subject distance is small.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_ferris Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>Well before you all get out of shape about hoods and IS variants, I for one won't be upgrading. My 70-200 f2.8 IS is frighteningly sharp across FF and if I want to shorten closest focus then I use my 12mm extension tube.</p> <p>As Michael says, for buisness turnarounds/tax right offs it works well, for mere mortals the current lens is more than adequate.</p> <p>As an extension, I have seen many people say my version is the softest of Canons four 70-200 zooms, I have never had anybody I know who owns one even mention how not sharp it is. But I make the mistake of taking pictures with it not images of test charts.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tudor_apmadoc Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>The info is up on Canon's site:</p> <p><a href="http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=150&modelid=19092">http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=150&modelid=19092</a></p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenPapai Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p><em>"I think Dpreview has it wrong- Canon states the lens hood is not included, and Dpreview says it is..."</em></p> <p>All L lenses come with a lens hood. However, that's already been cleared up.</p> <p>The CW (Conventional Wisdom) is that the 4L is sharper than the 2.8L; I believe part of this 2.8L IS lens update is to fix that error.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_ferris Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>Ken,</p> <p>I know that is the conventional wisdom, what I am trying to say is that nobody can call the curent 2.8 IS soft, theoretically there are sharper lenses, but you get down to diminishing returns, just like megapixels, if it is not useful why have it and have to pay for it.</p> <p>Is the new 100 IS macro sharper than the old one? Most say no but it has the added functionality of the IS, faster focus weatherproofing etc to warrant the upgrade. What does the new 70-200 have? Not enough to trade up for me, that is for sure.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philip_wilson Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 <p>Scott - While I have not tried the 70-200 F4 (non IS) I own both the 70-200 F2.8 (Non IS) and the 70-200 F4 IS and have shot the 70-200 F2.8 IS a few times. All of the three I have used are sharp and in real world use there is little to choose between them. When I bought the 70-200 F2.8 the IS versions I tested in the store were not as sharp but this was probably a batch variation issue. In theory the additional moving elements in the IS lens will reduce image quality but the extra attention Canon puts into the newer IS lenses appear to offset this. Indeed I feel my F4 IS is slightly sharper than my F2.8 non IS. The reason I have both lenses is simple - I need F2.8 for sports use (indoor hockey, ski racing etc...) but do not need IS as I have to use high shutter speeds (and in hockey usually shoot from the bench so I can rest on the boards). The F4 lens is half the weight of the F2.8 IS (and almost half the weight of the F2.8 non IS) and since I do a lot of climbing and hiking the F4 lens is not a big additional burden whereas you have to be certain you will use the F2.8. In terms of price you pay $600 more but get a lightweight IS lens and an F2.8 lens.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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