Canon 7D AF (Wedding)

Discussion in 'Canon EOS' started by medina photography/ cherry hill, nj, Oct 11, 2009.

  1. Does anyone know how to get the best out of this camera or give me a suggestion as to where I could go (I live in Southern New Jersy- Canon Jamesburg is an hour away) to try and get the right settings for AF accuracy.
    I used this camera at a wedding last night and I am not impressed at all. My 40D (when new) out performed this camera hands down.
     
  2. What settings did you use? DId you read the manual? The AF on this camera is VERY different from any previous non 1Dx camera. I use this camera for wildlife photography and use AI Servo with single point AF with expansion and slow AF tracking. My 40D can not hold a candle to the 7Ds AF capabilities - it tracks so well, that almost all my shots are now perfectly focused, even for birds in flight.
    There are a numbe of articles on Canon's website to help you chose the right settings.
     
  3. I tried zone AF, I tried complete auto , I tried single point, I tried center point- NOTHING works well. Back focusing, maybe I just got a bad copy I don't know. If you have any links could you please post them.
     
  4. Robert - I have just bought this body and like Juergen I am impressed with the AF but have yet to determine how to get the best from it. If you read my post on Hockey shots you will get a beter sense of my views. On the AF side my 7D is very good for high contrast, high motion sports - it almost does not matter what setting you use in AI Servo you almost always get the shot (the high ISO performance is a different issue). In one shot the camera is also very well behaved and even in AI Focus (usually a useless setting as it is slow) the 7D still functions well. The area where the AF is weak (no better than the 5DII) is low light, low contrast or both. In my tests against white walls the 7D would hunt like crazy - much like the 5DII. In these circumstances the 1DIIN (and even my old 1V) would have no real problems until the light was very low. Thus the 7D really is a limited use camera in my opinion - great for action sports (the AF seems bettter and faster than either the 1DIIN or 1V although all are so rapid it is not easy to tell - the 7D seems to get almost all shots in focus) but very limited for general use (poor High ISO performance, crop factor and poor AF in low contrast). Is your issue difficulty in getting focus on a white dress?
    It is possible you have a bad body but mine is very fast and accurate so long as there is something with contrast for it to lock onto. From brief experimentation the AF system is very accurate - better than the 5DII or 1V. I bought it for sports and will keep it for this purpose at it is very fast. You can shoot RAW in fast bursts (2-5 shots) at 8fps and it writes so fast that you never catch the buffer (the 5DII even with the same UDMA cards and half the frame rate cannot write this fast). The AF is very impressive based on my brief test shooting kids hockey practice but the high ISo performance lets it down. Were I shooting a wedding I would go with the 5DII as the image quality- especially at higher ISOs is in a different league.
     
  5. LEnses- 70-200 2.8L IS, 24-70 2.8L
     
  6. I used al servo with the 70-200 of the bride and groom walking down the aisle and had OOF shots. Indoors I was shooting the couples first dance with the 24-70 and alot of images are oof and they were not even moving- (no AlServo for the dance) I used my 40D's, 30D' 20D's 10D and even my 1D MKII in the same situations and did not have that problem.
    I am going to study the AF more and see if I can get this thing together.
     
  7. Sounds like you may have a defective sample or all your lenses need MA. I've only been using a 7D for a few days and find it difficult to get an out of focus image. With that said, I found manually selected single point AF the most accurate. Zone AF covers too much area and usually grabs the nearest, brightest detail, often not what you want.
     
  8. I would agree with Puppy - looks like you have a defective camera. The zone AF algorithm for selecting a focus point appears to be better than previous Canons at getting the right subject but as will all systems of this type it can choose a subject other than the one intended. Puppy - does yours hunt like a 5D or 5DII on the blank wall test?
     
  9. Sheesh, I' don't own any smooth white walls. All my white walls have a slight crinkle texture so AF works fine in normal light. I guess I could sub the clear blue sky test. All my cameras fail that one as some contrast or detail is needed for the AF system to work.
    My fav test is the lens cap test: photogeeks around the world take pictures of the inside of their lens caps, push them 3 or 4 stops in processing, post on forums and complain about the noise...
     
  10. Yeah - the 7D still has some consumer aspects to in's otherwise world class AF - it does not like low light coupled with low contrast - even my old 1V focuses better in this situation.
     
  11. I can compare the 7D to 1DII. So far they are close but I have to give a slight edge to the 7D on both the smooth wall and low light tests. I have not yet compared them side by side for sports shooting but from what I've heard they are about comparable or again the 7D slightly ahead.
    I would think you could get more oof shots with groups or all points selected as the periphery points are now all cross type and so there's more potential targets. But if you're not satisfied with center only, I"d think it's a bad body.
     
  12. I compared the 7D with the 1V and 1DIIN and the 7D feels like it has better AF except in my low light almost no contrast test. For High ISo performance the 1DIIN is about 2 stops better once the 7D gets to ISO 800, see my post and crops
    http://www.photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00UiAE
     
  13. Would you guys know how 7D's High ISO noise and low light AF performance compare with Nikon D300s? -- I've been a Canon shooter but am now considering both these cameras. I've had a look at a local store and Nikon's frame coverage with AF points seems to be better than Canon's.
     
  14. I have only shot a D3 but the Af is as good as the D3 but noise is a lot worse.
     
  15. Thanks to all of you with the new 7D for your first impressions. I find that comparison of autofocus to be the most difficult to quantify, as there are no standardized tests available to amateurs. We therefore have to rely on the subjective impressions of those who have several models. For me, shooting with a 5D, the weak point is autofocus for sports, and of course frame rate. High ISO is also a big deal, even with the tempering factor of noise reduction software (I use noise ninja).
     
  16. Philip Wilson wrote:
    I have only shot a D3 but the Af is as good as the D3 but noise is a lot worse.​
    @ Philip, just to clarify: are you comparind two Nikons -- D3 to D300s -- or D3 to Canon 7D (?)
    Dave Holland wrote:
    I find that comparison of autofocus to be the most difficult to quantify, as there are no standardized tests available to amateurs.​
    @ Dave, how fast and how accurate they are in various conditions, absolutely; but what area of the frame is covered with AF points should be relatively straightforward. Just by looking through the viewfinders to compose more or less the same image and noticing where the top right AF point falls, I gathered that D300s has advantage over 7D (less need to recompose after acquiring focus or to compromise on composition).
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  17. sorry, have failed to attach the D300(s)'s viewfinder :S
    hope it works this time...
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