Canon 5D vs Canon Rebel XT

Discussion in 'Canon EOS' started by albanomagic, Feb 4, 2007.

  1. I am considering to upgrade my XT for the 5D but find only minor differences
    between the two other than $2,000.00 more for the 5D.

    I am considering to upgrade for the following reasons:

    1) 1:1 ratio on the 5D rather than 1.6x to the Rebel. I like shooting wide
    angles.
    2) 50 and 3200 ISO extra in the 5D. Have slave lighting including the 580
    3) 12.8 meg for 5D instead of 8. I do produce large prints
    4) More frames per burst
    5) 5D is a larger body for my big hands to feel comfortable

    Are there any other items I've missed to determine which camera is better?
     
  2. The 5D has a larger, brighter viewfinder. It also has the very handy control dial on the back.
     
  3. The 5D is obviously better than the XT, and the XTi, however the 5D is somewhat due for replacement soon. I would wait until the 5D replacement was fresh in the market before upgrading, however your judgement is called on whether you can wait or not.
     
  4. how much weightier is the 5D than the 30D (which I currently own). I do a bit of shooting for a rugby team, and while there is a crop factor on the 30D (1.6 I believe), I believe there is none on the 5D. The zoom then would stay at 400mm with my 100-400 IS USM lens? Somehow, the idea of keeping it at 640 (with the crop factor on the 30D)seems tempting - any advantages as to switching to a 5D?

    sheryl
     
  5. No real difference in size between the 5D and the 30D. The 5D is slightly heaver if I recall but it is such a small difference you cant tell it by holding one then the other.

    The larger screen and dial wheel on the 5D as opposed to the XT may be an even bigger deal to some than the extra MP's. Those two things are awesome advantages on their own.
     
  6. Take a picture with each and you'll see the difference. :)
     
  7. Minor differences ? I'd be hard pressed to find the XT equal too or better than the 5D in any catagory you'd care to name other than price. I won't even bother to list the differences, they're too numerous to mention.

    The 30D would give you a narrower field of view, effectively making your tele-lenses appear longer, if you do a lot long distance shooting.Good luck.
     
  8. Why would you want to compare a Hyundai and a Lamborghini ?

    These are different camera for 'diferent' usage.

    I don't know if one can give a real comparison between these two bodies. The main reason is that Canon made 2 different bodies with two different philosophy... and price :)
     
  9. I like shooting wide angles.
    Then, you want the 5D.
     
  10. If money is not a problem is a great body and given the same picture there is less noise and for large prints it is a lot better than the rebel XT. The 5D is solid built not like the plastic feel of the XT.
    Most important it is FF. Go to your nearest camera shop and pick one up and hold it. The difference will be obvious, Bill
     
  11. One look through the massive and bright 5D viewfinder and you'll find it hard to go back to
    the peephole of an XT or 30D. But, yeah, Ric, I think you nailed most of the other reasons.
    Oh, ultra low noise is also one of the 5D's milestones.
     
  12. This is not a Hyndai vs Lamborgini (gads: I can't spell!) choice.

    It is basically a comparison of a low end Chevy with a high end Chevy (and not a corvette). Build quality is similar. Parts are similar. You get a bigger body and a bigger sensor on the 5D. And you pay for it.

    If you need a bigger body, but not a bigger sensor: Buy a 30D.

    If you need a bigger body AND a bigger sensors. . .buy the 5D.
     
  13. Besides the wide angle issue, the bigger viewfinder would be very significant for me.

    But, at present, it's not significant enough to make me spend that much money.
     
  14. I have both and hardly pick up my XT except as a back-up, or when I need to shoot wide and long at the same time. The 17-40/4.0 goes on the 5D, the 70-200/2.8 on the XT. Otherwise, it just sits. Hate the crop factor and small finder. <p>The high ISO 5D shots are also cleaner.
     
  15. >>but find only minor differences between the two<<



    If you count the differences in operation, built, features, image quality as minor...keep the XT.

    Personally, I think there is a world of difference between the two but, it's up what YOU need and want.
     
  16. Jim,

    I totally agree with you :)

    It's is known that, basically, cars have the same engine within a range of different packages.

    The more you pay, the more you can (should) espect from your gear.

    And again the eternal questions are:

    - Do I need what I want?

    - Can I afford what I need?
     
  17. >>but find only minor differences between the two<<

    WTF? You listed some pretty major ones, neglecting better AF, build, controls.

    Just curious, when you look at a Lexus and Yugo, do you find only minor differences in them, engine, body, paint ;)

    There are hue differences in the XT and 30D and Huge differences in the 30D and 5D.

    Mark
     
  18. I am with Jim. The difference in image quality is minor except at high ISOs and greater than 13x19 print size. Even at this level the differences are likely to be only noticed by photo geeks, who try and guess the camera, than the average member of the public, who probably only cares whether the photo has an interesting composition and is pleasing to look at.

    The 5D has a size and viewfinder comparable to a 30 year old $40 Pentax K1000 (without the split prism) and has a build that feels nicer to hold than the plastic rebel but will break just as easily when it is dropped. It also has the extra wheel of a $200 Elan and a slightly better AF.

    So basically we are talking a K1000 viewfinder and build, with a $200 elan control wheel, and slightly better than XT image quality.

    Whether these are a big deal or not to you is a matter of personal preference, not a matter of fact, and can't be decided in an internet forum.
     

    • I like shooting wide angles. Then, you want the 5D.
    Not necessarily. What about the 10-22 and Sigma 10-20?
    Happy shooting,
    Yakim.
     
  19. Not necessarily. What about the 10-22 and Sigma 10-20?
    Well, the Canon has a variable maximum aperture of f/3.5 to f/4.5, whereas the Sigma has a variable maximum aperture of f/4.0 to f/5.6. Furthermore, both of those zooms are in the $500+ pricerange. For $100+ less, I'd rather use the Sigma 20mm f/1.8, because it's a little over three stops faster. Having a wide lens is certainly nice, but not if it's maximum aperture is too small for your lighting conditions. Having said that, personally, I'd probably choose the EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM. I think it offers the best combination of versatility and quality, even though it would be nice for it to be a stop faster.
     
  20. Well, the 5D shoots almost full frame, now many consider that a plus point over using a cropped sensor. further it gives you over 12MP of data , cleaner images, better build quality, direct control, relaiblility....and it looks better too.

    good things cost good money, and for that money...nth is better in canon lineup. For full frame, this is the best deal anywhere.(yes you forgot cleanest image of all canon cameras..yes,...1dsMkII included).


    Ujwal( www.ujwal.com.np)
     
  21. Well, the 5D shoots almost full frame
    What do you mean almost?
     
  22. Well, it's a sliver less than 36x24: 35.8mm x 23.9mm, as spec'd. here:

    http://www.canon.ca/english/index-products.asp?lng=en&prodid=843&sgid=23&gid=2&ovr=1&epage=specifications
     
  23. Mendel Leisk: "Well, [the 5D's] a sliver less than 36x24: 35.8mm x 23.9mm ..."

    It's designed that way so that it only uses the sweet spot of the lens attached to it, thereby avoiding the soft corners ... ; )
     
  24. I have become a steadfast convert to how truly amazing the images from the 5D are. I shot some photos of Garden of the Gods and Pikes Peak last week, and with some knowledge of the terrain, I was able to track down an A-frame shelter that is along Barr Trail at timberline. If the photo doesn't load with this post, I've posted a page with a few examples of the 5D resolution here: http://www.toddcaudle.com/a_frame.htm

    In short, the 5D is far and away better than the XT (I had an XT before the 5D), and worth the extra dollars. But I also agree that Canon probably isn't too far from coming out with either an improved 5D (with the 30D's sensor-cleaning capability, perhaps?), or another camera altogether. When they do, you can either get the new model, or watch the price of used 5Ds drop and pick one up for less than their current cost.
     
  25. "In short, the 5D is far and away better than the XT " You should have added if you are into pixel peeping at 200%.
     
  26. Only the first inset box is at 200%, genius.
     
  27. Well, it's a sliver less than 36x24: 35.8mm x 23.9mm
    Ah! ...I wonder to what tolerance 35mm film has been produced. I'd check with my negatives, but I don't have a micrometer handy. ;-)
     

    • Well, the Canon has a variable maximum aperture of f/3.5 to f/4.5, whereas the Sigma has a variable maximum aperture of f/4.0 to f/5.6. Furthermore, both of those zooms are in the $500+ pricerange. For $100+ less, I'd rather use the Sigma 20mm f/1.8, because it's a little over three stops faster. Having a wide lens is certainly nice, but not if it's maximum aperture is too small for your lighting conditions. Having said that, personally, I'd probably choose the EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM. I think it offers the best combination of versatility and quality, even though it would be nice for it to be a stop faster.
    1. According to PZ and WC tests the Sigma 20/1.8 does not get very sharp until f/5.6 or f/8. IMHO it is not too useful to buy a fast lens and face with a choice of either use it in medium apertures or get soft images.
    2. The 16-35/2.8 is a great lens, at a price.
    Happy shooting,
    Yakim.
     
  28. IMHO it is not too useful to buy a fast lens and face with a choice of either use it in medium apertures or get soft images.
    That's a valid point.
    According to PZ and WC tests the Sigma 20/1.8 does not get very sharp until f/5.6 or f/8.
    What I see in the PZ results is that it's soft at f/1.8, considerably better at f/2.8, and that f/5.6-f/8 is the "sweet spot" (as you know, most wide aperture lenses have optimal sharpness in that range of apertures).
     
  29. Well, here's the thing. What are you using it for?

    Yes, its better quality, better build, bigger screen... But, at the end of the day, when you print out a 8x10 or post them on a website, is being able to pick out tiny details really worth the extra money for what you do?

    When you compare the same picture printed on an 8x10 from the two cameras, what are the differences? and are these differences worthwhile?

    Ive seem incredible photos taken on a Rebel XT, and terrible pictures taken on a 5D. Personally, I don't think a 5D is even remotely necessary unless you happen to have a lot of money sitting around, or photography is something you make a fair amount of money doing to warrant it.

    I personally own a Rebel XT, and it works just fine. Cropped sensor, non-fancy selector wheel, 8MP, small LCD and all.
     
  30. To all you 5D snobs, will anyone deny that the XT can deliver beautiful perfect shots? And isn't that what matters MOST in a camera?

    If I could afford it I would like the larger brighter viewfinder, the FF sensor, and lower noise high ISO (perhaps that more than any other single feature).

    But I think any kind of car analogy is poor. Either car will get you where you're going but it's not the case that either camera will JUST get you a picture. The XT is fully capable of producing stunning, flawless, beautiful shots.

    Yes, the 5D has improved features, but the XT is not junk.
     
  31. David Bowens' statement about Rebel XT is balanced. You truly have to ask yourself what do you want to do with your photography equipment? If you want to impress people with larger screens and crop factors and have a better signature at the end of your messages on photography forums, yes, spend the money.

    But if you want to be practical, spend the money else where on L-lenses. The image sensor on Rebel XT is impressive enough to handle wedding photography to wildlife shots.
     

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