Cameras other than Leica

This is a personal opinion, and in no way reflects the opinion of anyone on this forum, or this forum itself. I feel that it is bad taste, extremely rude, and inappropriate to list or discuss cameras other than Leica, on THIS forum. A Nikon or Canon (as wonderful as they may seem to their devotees) are in no way, remotely related to Leica. I know that Nikon has a number of sites for those devoted to Nikon. I don't know that much about Canon and others, but I'm sure they do too. So, for instance, if someone asks what your favorite lens is, and it isn't a Leica, then consider that this question is not for you. If you look closely, you will see that only paparazzi (poopy) use those types of cameras anyway, and never Leicas. I like to think of the Leica Forum as a place for Leica Photographers.

My guess is that most members of the forum use not only Leicas or

other cameras. I consider it quite appropriate to compare Leicas with

others in regard to specific tasks. I use one of my Leicas about 80%

of the time, but I also have a Canon EOS 1v, a Nikon N90s, and others.

For me, and I believe, others as well, comparisons at times can be

helpful. Why should this be considered impolite? If you're not

interested, don't read it! Simple as that.

Jack, to me, your mentality, is the same one that caused paparazzi to

participate in the death of Princess Di, and take her picture as she

lay dying. In the screw everyone else, I'm going to do what I want to

do world, where courtesy, while not dead, is certainly dying, your

answer is right on, brother.

Good grief, Glenn. Lighten up!

Cameras are just tools...I have three NIKKOR lens that were designed

specifically for LEICA thread mount.....they are the 85mm, 105mm and

135mm...they work just great on my M3 with adapters....They have NO

fogging or weird lens coating problems like the Leica lens of the

early 1950's...These Nikkors have never required any cleaning or

regreasing.....They are quality lenses that do not have Leicas

fogging or coating problems.....Why is it rude to talk about

quality??? ......Leica screwed up their coatings and grease in the

early 1950's; but these Nikkors are clear and contasty; still after

50 years; and will work on a new M7 today...<br><br>Kelly

Glenn--isn't "In the screw everyone else, I'm going to do what I want

to do world, where courtesy, while not dead, is certainly dying, "

almost exactly what you're doing in a backhanded way by insulting

everyone who doesn't want to do it YOUR way in this instance?

Meanwhile, any discussion of the erstwhile Princess Di is verboten as

well. Achtung! Let's keep this board to Leica only as the fuhrer

would have it.

With Dave all the way! My, Glenn, who's being rude and impolite now? And the mere mention

of Princess Di in your second post is in such bad taste it's freaky. I don't think even «Phil what's

his name» would go this low. (Well, come to think of it, now that I've mentioned it...sorry,

people.) Anyway, Glenn, just breathe deeply through your nose, feel not only your lungs but

your stomach fill with air, let it out slowly through your mouth. Do this ten times. It'll oxygenate

your starving brain.

Glenn: Get out more! Lay down your fondling of the Leica equipment

and pounding on the keyboard and get a wider perspective on things.

Just some friendly advice.

Kelly, I certainly don't mean to imply that LTM's: Nikon , Canon,

Russian, Zeiss, and all other lenses or equipment that are compapable

or at least similar (Voigtlander?) to Leica RF/ aren't a delightful

source for discussion and education. They most certainly are. But I

am drawing the line when someone asks what you favorite lens is and

why, and the reply is some modern AF SLR 28-200mm f/1.4, ED, IF, APO,

IS, L. There are certainly other groups that are interested in

discussing this. But I certainly am interested in hearing why someone

would choose a thirty year old Nikon LTM over a modern Leica

equivalent.

C'mon Glenn, don't be such a hypocrite. And I quote him from a recent post: "BEEN THERE, DONE THAT. My challenge to you: is talk all you do? yak, yak, yak, yak! Maybe it more than $50, but it's well within the spirit of your challenge. VOITLANDER BESSA-L (well under $200), VOITLANDER HELIAR 15mm, 1:4.5, T-MAX 400 IN XTOL 1:1, POLAROID SPRINTSCAN 4000."

 

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I don't think a Voightlander exactly qualifies as a Leica.

 

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It seems that you too also talk about other cameras, so what are we to all make of this hulabaloo? Caught out? Not fun is it?

Hey Olivier!

 

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You solved my lifelong digestion problem. All of this time I thought

that I was the only one who digested food in my lungs! If I could

only stop urinating through my index fingers...or smelling through my

elbows...

I don't know about you Glenn, but I am interested in comparisons

those with Leica experience can make with other brands and even other

formats. It seems that is one of the benefits of this site, shared

experienceand considered observation. What is wrong if that includes

experiences of other makes of cameras? Most

photographers who have ventured into Leica have made a substantial

commitment in the purchase of equipment and have experience with

several other camera makes; it only makes sense that this site

includes these in comparison. Personally, I think this post is a

troll, but if you really don't like a topic, then read something

else. Why waste your time?

Man I really like those Hasselblad MF cameras! Hmn...for

scenics/landscape they gotta be tops.

The irony of the whole situation ...... There has always been an

eternal tug of war between photographic manufacturers to be a

market leader. Witness the classic Leitz versus Zeiss situation

however, behind the rivalry there is some mutual respect,

friendship and indeed sharing of designs. Competion leads to

better products. I would conclude that comparisons are relevant.

Whether you want to participate in a forum comparison is up to

you.

Funny thread . . .!

 

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I like to read about Leicas here but, in general, accept things the

way they are: there are some other cameras out there, we use them too

ourselves and occasional reference to other brands/gear makes no

harm. And is even educational sometimes . . . But still I try to be

faithful to the name of the site, of course.

 

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I assume that getting involved in such a nonsensical discussion is a

comsequence of the lack of <a

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Regards

 

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-Iván

If I just wanted technical Leica information, I'd just call Leica New

Jersey every time I needed to know something about their products. To

me, this discussion board (and others like it), are a source of

community along with being a photographic knowledge database. We all

talk about Leica 90% of the time around here. But other stuff is

bound to creep in. Like the fact that my FAVORITE lens isn't a leica.

Since I seemed to have broken my own rule more than anyone else, I

will conceed defeat, and retire from the battlefield. But be warned,

I shall return! And pray tell Josh, what IS your favorite lens?

If the question is "what one lens would you keep? and the answer

isn't a Leica lens, what do you EXPECT people to say? Lie and name a

Leica lens? Get a life, doofuss.

That would be a Canon 50mm 1.4 ef lens. It takes pictures my Leica

can't. Just like my 50mm Summilux takes ones the former can't even

come close to. Sorry - but this thread exudes the same kind of

drunkeness I see here from time to time that I just can't stand.

 

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Can't we all just get along?

Yah...I think some us are just reallllllllllllllllllllly bored.

*yawn* *stretch* *lipsmacking* ZzzzZZZzz

Okay, Henry, I didn't think I'd have to explain this, but, for the benefit of the «metaphor

challenged» here goes: feeling your stomach fill with air IS a metaphor, used to mean that one

should expand his abdomen as far out as possible, using his lower ribs' muscles while

breathing in, in order to lower the diaphragm and fill the lungs all the way to the very bottom. It's

a technique all musicians and actors use, among others. As for urinating through your index

fingers and smelling through your elbows, my advice to you is get a good physician ASAP.

Take care. :-)

How dare you say the words Canon and Nikon in your post - you

hypocrite :-)

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If the leica forum is a place for leica photographers, who are the

people that shoot both leicas and other brands... are they no longer

leica photographers? In other words, if i play the drums in a band i

am still a drummer even though i like to pick up the guitar from time

to time. If somebody asks me what instrument they should use to play

like Jimi Hendrix, i'm not going to tell them to use the drums just

because i am a drummer... i'm also not going to not answer simply

because it is foolish for this person to ask me - a drummer - this

question. If i know the answer i will give it to them. If somebody

comes along on this forum and asks what lenses are best for wildlife

photography, i am going to point them in the direction of AF SLR's,

because that is what is good/best for that type of stuff... anybody

who is serious about wildlife photography and thinks a leica M is

just as good is seriously deluding themselves.

My favorite lens? The one in my eyeballs.

Leica lenses have wonderful characteristics and I intend to mount one

of them on a new Bessa R2. I think that it may suit my purposes

better than the M6 [framing accuracy] and, perhaps, prove more

reliable. My NIKON FM3A with the 45mm P lens is also a very fine kit

and I don't expect to have to spend $300 or so to have it CLA'd

anytime soon [the next ten years].