Best Panoramic Camera 6x17

Discussion in 'Medium Format' started by snowy_smith|2, Aug 10, 2003.


    I am very seriously considering buying a panoramic 6x17 Camera new,
    the latest model.
    The latest models of both the Fuji and Linhof have improved greatly.
    I want to use the camera for Outdoor Landscape Photography.
    I am considering buying the 90mm and the 180mm lenses.
    Kindly give your views on which is the best camera and lenses?
    Also is it necessary to use the centre filter on the 90mm lenses.
    Any tips will be appreciated.
    Many Thanks
    Snowy Smith
    South Africa
  2. Of the rangefinder type cameras the Linhof Technorama III with be the best. And yes you will need the center weighted filter on the 90mm lens.
    Better , or at least a bit more versatile, is the Canham MQC camera combined with the Canham 6x17cm roll film holder. You can use any large format lens -- from 72mm to at least the 720mm T-Nikkor --that covers the format, do macro work with it, and have full front movements like shift , rise/fall tilt and swing, and shift and swing movements on the rear standard as well. You can also shoot 5x7 and with the adapter back 4x5 (9cm x 12cm) film as well. No accessory bellows or extension rails are needed and it is designed for field work. it is a view camera so you focus using the groundglass. More details are at http://
  3. If money were no object, I'd get the Linhof 617sIII since I think
    the schneider lenses are second to none (I use the Fuji w/ 105/8
    lens). But regardless of the system, the achilles heel of 6x17's is
    you don't have a ground glass to focus on. The Fuji 617 has an
    optional GG..I've seen it, so at least it's available. I don't think
    Linhof offers one. And even if you have a GG, you can only use it
    before loading a fresh roll. Also, there is no tilt. Art Pan does
    make a 6x17 back that fits on a 4x5. The film plane is a few
    inches behind the 4x5 film plane, and the lenses are limited
    from 80-180mm or something like that, but you get movements,
    and can shoot both 6x17 and 6x12. I've yet to see this back
    offered outside of Japan (I know RW doesn't have it). Nowdays,
    if I know my focusing will be at infinity, i'll bring the pan.
    Otherwise, the 4x5 is more versatile, but takes time...I guess one
    small advantage of the Fuji 105mm over the schneider 90mm is
    the center ND filter is only 1 stop vs . 2 stop for the Schneider IVa
    filter. So for shots when it's windy, that extra stop might make a
    critical difference. The Fuji 105 lens is sharp, but flare prone if
    any sunlight whatsoever directly strikes the filter.For this reason,
    I try to avoid shooting shots directly into the sun. OTOH, I can do
    this w/ my 4x5 and schneider glass (don't have to use the ND
    filter w/ the 90XL for mild movements)
  4. cxc


    I rented a Technorama a while back, and it came with a thing made of special cloth and two spools, that you put in the camera with the back off, and you could focus on. I didn't bother with it and focussed just fine by guess. Besides, nearly all my pan shots are at infinity. It would be handy for precision framing, though.

    With only 4 shots a roll, it isn't the end of the world that you can only use the focus back between rolls.

    Though everything that Ellis says is true, I wouldn't recommend an LF camera to someone with no inclination in that direction.

  5. On a recent trip I rented the Fuji GX617 with a 90mm lens and loved it. The
    ONLY downfall I found was that the focus was in meters but it was good
    shooting @ F16, and 22. The 90mm was a perfect lens for this format and you
    really need the $300+ center field filter for the 90mm and the 105!!!
  6. "If money were no object, I'd get the Linhof 617sIII since I think the schneider lenses are
    second to none (I use the Fuji w/ 105/8 lens). But regardless of the system, the achilles
    heel of 6x17's is you don't have a ground glass to focus on."

    First we are offering a special to our dealers that makes their cost for the Linhof
    Technorama 617S III with lens and finder several hundred dollars less then the Fuji. And
    the cameras are in stock for immediate delivery to a dealer.

    Secondly it is very easy to lock the T617 shutter open with a locking cable release and
    hold a groundglass or even wax paper or vellum to the film plane to focus. However
    neither Linhof nor Fuji have a darkslide in the camera so you can only focus at the film
    plane when the camera is not loaded.
    The focusing by scale is very easy, especially with the 72 or 90mm lenses.
  7. A customer of mine shoots 6x9 and wider nature images. He has some excellent coffee table books and sells some huge prints.

    Three years back, he went with the Linhof and has been very satisfied. He found the Linhof to be extremely well-constructed and found that the optics were uniformly excellent.
  8. I have a Linhof 617SIII with 90mm and 180mm lenses, and a Fuji GX617 with 300mm I have a perspective with using both models frequently. The short answer is that you'll be pleased with either one, but you can read my full-page review at; just go to "reviews" and then to the proper page.

  9. What about Dr. Gilde? (
    It has tilt & shift and variable formats from 6x6 up to 6x23.
  10. I have a very low cost solution that works for me... I cut away a darkslide to leave 1/2 of the 4x5 film area only exposed. I remove the full slide and place this masking slide into the camera and shoot. I have a rotating back which is nice as I can then simply rotate 180 degrees (otherwise one would have to recompose)and make another exposure if necessary by masking the other side of the film. It takes a bit of getting used to but I've had fine results with it and the usable area is 4.25mm x 11.7mm which is roughly 6.2 x 17 proportion. Think of the cost savings and the nice 110 Super Symmar you could buy and dispense with the centre filtre... I know this isn't a solution for everyone but it does allow you to try out the 6 x 17 proportion for about $20 tops..
  11. A titan walker XL- ABS plastic..body..superlightweight..can take lenses from 47xl to 180mm..
    Art Panorama 617 Back- Can accept lenses from 90-180...

    I use this combination with 47xl(only for 4x5 and the 6x9 rollfilm holder), 90, 180 , 300Tele lens...

    So there we go a 4x5 system with the convinience of shooting 6x17 in 3 different F leghts!!..and with movements.which i find extremely useful!!...
  12. I have both systems. the fuji is much easier and has shades, focusing screen, and
    easy to use filtering due to the 77mm filter sizing on the lenses. The big on eis the
    shades. Shading these lenses is very important..
    The linhof, (which by the way is the one I use more often) which I have the 72mm and
    250mm lenses is a great system but a pain to filter, shade and preview. The 72mm
    lense which has a 95mm thread and a center filter that is 95mm - 110mm. NO ONE
    makes filters in a 110MM thread. Why would they do this. What I have done is the
    following: I have had a special lense shade made for me and being a one off was very
    expensive. I also had a step up ring from 110mm to 112mm made to facilitate
    112mm filters which are easier to find than 110mm, To filter, I attach the center
    filter, then the step up ring, and then a 112mm filter of choice. I primarily only use
    enhancing and polarizing filters. 112mm filters are very expensive..
    Even if you use the cokin holder, the ring is 112mm or you need the universal which
    has 4 pins that screw down to the lense. Don't reccomend the universal due to the
    marking up of the lense when putting it on and off.
    If you get all this taken care of for the linhof, which by the way fuji has done, I highly
    reccomend it.
    The two systems are equal... They both shoot fantastic pictures. The fuji has made it
    easy by having all the accessories available.
    If anyone wants info on the shade or steup ring don't hesitate to contact me.
  13. How does the Noblex 150 compare? Is it any good?

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