Just wondering what folks use as a workflow/technique when using CS4 to convert to B&W. Do you convert immediately to B&W, then work it? Or, do you work the image in color before converting? What order do you use the tools? (after minimal adjustments in Lightroom...CS 4 for crop, conversion, exposure, contrast, selective color to adjust whites and mid-tones, then sharpening is kind of what I'm doing). I am struggling with getting the most of my B&W images in post--latest critiques said not enough tonal range, contrast, sharpening, etc. and I think they are right. I'll try to attach an example image along with a rework I did. Maybe it's my eye that needs to be trained? Maybe I need to do several versions of an image and push to the extremes to see what the limits are? Suggestions to refine my conversion technique are welcome. Feel free to play with the sample image to show me what you think a good B&W should look like. Thanks!