dayton_p._strickland1 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Gang, here's another interesting article from VanRiper: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/essays/vanRiper/index.htm Not intended to start the film versus digital discussion, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n1664876959 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/essays/vanRiper/index.htm">Working link</a>. (There's a space in the URL above.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_evans4 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 <p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/photo/essays/vanRiper/index.htm">This</a> (without space) is the correct link. It's an article about somebody who chooses to photograph weddings in B/W, using available light only, and via expensive Leica equipment.</p><p>Van Riper makes a big thing of the price of the Leica equipment; there's not the slightest hint anywhere that somebody wanting to try such a way of working might try with marginally slower or inferior (or not) lenses produced by other companies.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayton_p._strickland1 Posted February 7, 2004 Author Share Posted February 7, 2004 Wrong, Peter, re-read the following part of the article: "Pricey though Jeff's gear may be, I think someone working with more mundane glass, for example, might still be able to get good available light results by using faster film, like Ilford's fantastic Delta 3200, which Judy and I love for low-light shooting." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprouty Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 <I>"Pricey though Jeff's gear may be, I think someone working with more mundane glass, for example, might still be able to get good available light results by using faster film, like Ilford's fantastic Delta 3200."</I> <P> Actually he does say exactly that near the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m. Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 So what about the pics? Nice looking stuff, don't you think? And why should anyone have to apologize for advocating Leica cameras and lenses on the Leica forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_evans4 Posted February 7, 2004 Share Posted February 7, 2004 Correction: yes, he does clearly say that a very similar job could be done with less costly equipment. (I must have been in a bad mood when I read the article and thus stopped reading before the end, which I think is forgivable, and wrote in ignorance about it, which certainly isn't. Sorryyyyy.) The photos are indeed excellent, and almost make me think that a wedding is a sensible way to spend a sizable wodge of money. (And if I were going to spend a sizable wodge of money on a wedding, I'd spend it on the photographer rather than on renting, let alone buying, the conventional high-kitsch clothing.) And no, there's nothing wrong about Leica advocacy on this forum or anywhere else; but Leica advocacy does often seem loony to me when it appears to assume that Leica equipment is very different to any alternative. (In some ways, it clearly is very different; in others, such an assumption seems debatable at best. Meanwhile, I'm open to reasoned claims that it's very different.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin m. Posted February 8, 2004 Share Posted February 8, 2004 Why is he so pre-occupied with what the photographers gear costs? Isn't that his affair? Last I checked, Leica gear isn't that much pricier than pro-level Nikon/Canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew robertson Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 Kevin, are you KIDDING ME? Canon EF 35mm f/1.4L - $1119 Leica 35mm f/1.4 Summilux - $2495 Canon EF 28mm f/2.8 - $275 Leica 24mm f/2.8 Elmarit - $2095 Canon EF 35mm f/2.0 - $229 Leica 35mm f/2.0 Summicron - $1595 - $1995 depending on finish Canon EF 20mm f/2.8 - $420 Leica 21mm f/2.8 - $2495 Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 - $299 Leica 50mm f/1.4 - $1995 Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 - $70 Leica 50mm f/2.0 - $1095 Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 - $320 Leica 90mm f/2.0 - $1995 Canon EF 135mm f/2.8 - $280 Leica 135mm f/3.4 - $1995 This is for the rangefinder lenses. If anything, the R lenses are a bit more pricey. The entry point for a Leica lens appears to be $1000. For a slow standard lens. For the price of a Leica M body and three lenses, you could get a nice Canon body and every non- L prime lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott spencer Posted February 9, 2004 Share Posted February 9, 2004 So if you want to do that style of shooting and get results close to that, what equipment would you recommend? Right now I have a Contax G2, but don't like the slowness of the lenses, nor the manual focus mechanism. Seems like it would be a manual focus slr like the nikon fm3a or a canon (what would the canon equivalent be?)? are there better choices? Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_evans4 Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 <p><em>I basically use three [Leica] M6TTL's.</em></p><p>Three Bessa R(2)s, or two Bessa R(2)s and one [old] Canon 7(s). You'll need the M mount of the Bessa R2 for the 35/1.2 lens mentioned below. The Canon is big and heavy but has a greater RF length and focusing should be surer with the 85mm lens, though of course its viewfinder must be in good condition.</p><p><em>My lenses consist of a 50mm f1 Noctilux, a 50mm f2 Summicron, 35mm f1.4 Summilux ASPH, 90mm f2 Summicron ASPH, and a 21mm f2.8 ASPH....</em></p><p>A CV (Cosina/Voigtländer) 50/1.5 or [old] Canon 50/1.4; CV 35/1.7 or (bigger, heavier, more expensive) CV 35/1.2; [old] Canon 85/1.8; and CV 21/4.</p><p>NB I'm not saying either that this pile would be better than the SLR equivalent or that it's as good as Leica, but at least it's worth consideration.</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
._._z Posted February 12, 2004 Share Posted February 12, 2004 Funny how nobody said anything when Van Riper raved over the ability of a Panasonic 2MP digicam to make "outstanding" 8x10" prints. Ever hear the term 'Cafeteria Catholic'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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