A Chuck Westfall (Canon technical director) interview

Discussion in 'Canon EOS' started by mark u, Mar 24, 2005.

  1. While much of this is aimed at the digicam market, there are a few
    snippets of relevance to the EOS system:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050324_143333.html

    Throwaway line about the next 1 series DSLR being 22MP, for instance,
    and a move toward SD cards.
     
  2. Well, I'm glad he says Canon monitors online discussions for user comments. Maybe if I gripe enough about how ECF has gone MIA on DSLRs they'll finally get around to fixing this omission :)
    I'm not at all surprised by the 22 MP thing. Canon has already stated that the 1D and 1Ds will be merged into one body in the next generation. Clearly, such a body has to be able to do whatever people would expect of a 1D III plus whatever people would expect of a 1Ds III, and the latter one would have to beat 16.7 MP by a fair margin. Actually, now that the 22 MP comment is out there, I won't be surprised to see Canon exceed that figure when this body comes out (which is still a long way away; I'd expect it no earlier than Photokina 2006, late next year, and quite possibly later than that).
    I'm also not surprised by Chuck's suggestion that SD looks like the CF of the future. I'm just hoping that sooner or later the flash memory vendors and companies which make products which use flash memory will get their collective head around the idea that there are far too many different flash memory products which, essentially, are all the same product in mutually incompatible packaging ...
     
  3. I personally would not want cameras going exclusively to SD because I think those cards are TOO small (in physical size). Those things are like postage stamps. But I'd gladly take more cameras that have dual SD/CF card slots, like the current 1-series bodies do.

    As for a 22mp 1-series body, hopefully that means more room for a sub-1-series pro body (like a digital EOS 3). Hopefully, something like that is already in the works.
     
  4. Chuck is a great asset for Canon as a market communicator. He also posts on forums like Rob Galbraith (definitely another asset Nikon is still missing).

    Sadly enough this interview focus only on technology improvements, I wish they/Canon would comit to improving user-interface, software algorithms, viewfinder size and brightness, commit to higher quality prime lenes - why not in the APS sensor size like Sigma's upcoming 30/1.4 etc.
     
  5. Improving user interface?

    I think the EOS cameras are the most ergonomic I have ever used.
     
  6. Yes they will probably do 22 MP first so they have room to come out with a 26 MP camera after that. They can boost their profits that way. Six months to a year after the 22 MP comes out, at $8000 USD, they can offer all the 1DSII guts in a slightly changed body and sell it for $4000 and still make tons of dough. That will bring the used 1DSII bodies down to $2000. Perhaps then I can enter the DSLR market with a used D60, Rebel, or 10D, which will all be under $400 USD. Can't wait! At $400 USD a DSLR will save me more than the depreciation I will see, and yet still provide the minimal amount of resolution that I am willing to accept while waiting for a used 1DSII at about $1200. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
     
  7. I'd hope they wouldn't bother with SD cards, they're flimsy at best.
     
  8. I hope xD, SD doesn't become the Canon norm...especially not on the DSLRs. One of the reasons I went with Canon for my P&S (S410) is that it took CF cards.

    And if Canon really does check out this forum, I want them to know that the next DSLR that they make should have ISO in the viewfinder. With digital it is just as important as knowing shutter and aperture. ISO could/should even have its own buttons or dial. At the very least, available through the assist button and either dial selectable via CFn.

    Thanks for posting that link.
     
  9. "Chuck is a great asset for Canon as a market communicator. He also posts on forums like Rob Galbraith (definitely another asset Nikon is still missing)"
    Ah, yes... but it's too bad that half of what he posts is pure marketing B.S.
     
  10. I can't blame Chuck for not biting the hand that feeds him. As I read this post I was thinking he's got a lot of 'nads for making himself as available as he does to the Canon online community. If he tells anyone what they'd most likely want to hear (i.e. When's the new model coming out?) he would probably be fired. I suspect he's walking on eggshells a bit in these interviews - if he mis-speaks it could cost Canon sales. Someone mentioned Nikon not having a "Chuck" of their own and perhaps this is why.
     
  11. ky2

    ky2

    "I think the EOS cameras are the most ergonomic I have ever used..." -- hmmm errr cough cough cough. Ok, that's a subjective point of view.
     
  12. "Perhaps then I can enter the DSLR market with a used D60, Rebel, or 10D, which will all be under $400 USD."
    I suggest while you're waiting for that $1,200.00(US) 1DsII to hit the used market, you give serious consideration to a used D30 w/BG-ED3. I have 11"X17" prints all about the house which came from the D30 and a 24"x36" hanging in the living room.
    All but the top left two images in this folder were captured with a D30.
     
  13. I hope Canon stays away from SD card for DSLRs. They're just too small and easy to lose. I
    can't image trying to insert one with gloves on! Plus they don't seem nearly as strong as CF
    cards.
     
  14. Ah, yes... but it's too bad that half of what he posts is pure marketing B.S.​

    I guess Bob doesn't actually need to read the linked-to article in order to make an anti- Canon post.
     
  15. "I want them to know that the next DSLR that they make should have ISO in the viewfinder"
    The 1Ds had ISO in the viewfinder. What I wish is that they would have a mode where the photographer sets the shutter speed and or f/stop, and the camera sets the ISO.
     
  16. Well, I certainly enjoy the placement of the buttons, most of which I can customize. I was
    never a fan of having the shutter speed on top.

    Completely subjective.
     
  17. "The 1Ds had ISO in the viewfinder. "

    Another reason to wish I had a spare $4k to 8k to burn. :-( I had no idea.


    "What I wish is that they would have a mode where the photographer sets the
    shutter speed and or f/stop, and the camera sets the ISO."

    That would be cool if it could be like ISO safety shift too when in [M] mode.
    Especially if it could be done in 1/2 or 1/3 stop equivalent increments. Maybe
    one more mode called [TAv]?
     
  18. I hope Canon stays away from SD card for DSLRs. They're just too small and easy to lose. I can't image trying to insert one with gloves on! Plus they don't seem nearly as strong as CF cards.
    I have general comments on SD and size. I prefer to be it SD over CF. Actually I carry one in my pocket and I'm happy it's as small, I can't carry a CF.
    Future SDs have big fast memory, lower power and potentially wireless at the same time. A single SD could replace the CF and the wifi ("WFT") and reduce the total camera size while adding features. The SD memory could be big enough as no need to replace (unless one is in front of a full-sized keyboard, moment at which one removes the gloves anyways).
    Although SD cards seem fragile, they're relatively tough devices, that bend don't break, and better insulated (simply because less contacts).
    Caveat: I've never used a DSLR.
     
  19. Another exposure mode that I would like is where the camera makes one exposure, then instead of bracketing, exposes the next frame as much as it can without blowing out the highlights. Thats pretty much what what I do now. A refinement of that idea would be to be able to load a "histogram shape" into the camera and have the camera evaluate the exposure and gamma to fit.
     
  20. I have general comments on SD and size. I prefer to be it SD over CF. Actually I carry one in my pocket and I'm happy it's as small, I can't carry a CF.
    You can't carry a CF card in your pocket?! Geez, how small are your pockets?
     
  21. You can't carry a CF card in your pocket?! Geez, how small are your pockets?
    Sorry, English, it's actually "my wallet"; and the SD sits near my backup SIM card, and I would happily add another mini-SD card, but not a CF which looks so huge these days.
     
  22. I'm glad Alexandru Petrescu responded to clarify that it's his *wallet* in which he can't carry a CF card, and not his pocket. That raised my eyebrows, too.

    But I'm with the Puppy on this one; I think SD is too small (my wife's PDA uses them), and a dSLR is big enough that migrating from CF to SD really ain't necessary. We also own an S410, and it's use of CF was no small part of the decision.

    Nor do I get Chuck Westfall's closing comment in the interview that SD "will allow for much smaller cameras." Aren't they small enough, already?
     
  23. Thank-you Thomas, I have been giving the D30 serious consideration. I am keeping my eye peeled to see if I can get one cheaper than they have been going for. Their prices are too inflated considering I could get a brand new refurbished Rebel with warranty for only $160 USD more locally. I am very close to jumping at the Rebel but I just cannot justify it right now. It seems each day there are new developments which makes being patient worthwhile.
     
  24. "...instead of bracketing, exposes the next frame as much as it can without blowing out the highlights."

    I was thinking of something along the same lines. Bracketing that would only take a second shot instead of a third before resetting. An automatic shift like you're suggesting could be better.

    What I really think will happen it that the next few DSLRs will be programmed to curb the linearity of the exposures more...be more like film. At least, I hope so.

    Unfortunately, I think it might be too hard for Canon to get away from some of the standard film-type features instead of thinking of good new ones for digital.
     
  25. John,

    About the D30s...I recently got a used one as a backup for $400. They occasionally go for $350-400 now. It's a little more sturdy than my Drebel too, and doesn't creak and flex with a 70-200 mounted. I must admit that one of the main reasons that I wanted to get it was for the dual 51x battery charger, which is great for me since I have battery grips on all of my cameras. And it's great as a backup since I can shoot about 300 RAW shots on my last 1Gig CF card if I need to. Can't say that about my 300D or 10D.
     
  26. Grant: I should probably email you directly but this is easier, if you happen to see it. Since you have different Eos DSLRs I am wondering if the D30 has a noticeably slower shutter lag compared to the newer models? I understand the warm up time may be longer but that's okay. I will be shooting a lot of sports with a D30 and want to make sure the time from pressing the shutter button to the shutter actually firing is similar to the previous film SLRs. Thank-you, John.
     
  27. Little shutter lag on the D30, I don't notice any but the AF isn't up to the task of sports photography. You'd be better off getting a used 1D which has a much faster and more accurate AF and is geared towards sports/PJ photography. Even a used 10D is much faster than the D30.

    I still have my D30, have no reason not to keep it. I find that it's the perfect DSLR for snapshots of family outings. Small files and high quality JPEG images. For the price of a used D30 and either a Tamrom 24-135mm Macro or a Canon 28-135 IS, the D30 can't be beat by any of the P&S's on the market today, IMHO of course:)
     
  28. Thank-you Thomas. Actually call me outdated but I'd be using the Canon FD 200/2.8 and 400/2.8 with the Canon 1.26x adapter, the first handheld and the second on a monopod. I would be shooting both wide open so it is easy to set up and let the camera select the shutter speed. When I am done with it, it will be perfect for my wife to use with the EF 50/1.8, EF 70-210, and EF 28-80. When I eventually run out of slow speed film I'll get a better DSLR and an EF 200/2.8 L. Sounds like the D30 body will go better with these heavy lenses in the meantime. I'll keep looking.
     
  29. Allow me to be encouraging:)

    For the basic, high quality, family oriented outings, the D30 can't be beat. Small files and high pixel quality that kicks P&S tail:)

    With a BG-ED3 attached and a "L" lense like the 16-35 or a 24/28-70mm f/2.8L, nobody on the hiking trail will question your authority:) And for 8"X12" and under, the quality, dare I say it, is up to that of Kodak MAX 400.

    What do I base this on. I look at pics my wife captures on her Rebel film camera, using a Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 to create drug store 4"X6" images against those captured using a D30 with a Canon 28-70mm f/2.8L printed on a lowly HP PSC 950 (four color), All-In-One printer and there's much more detail in the comparable D30 image.

    There is a draw back to getting a lowly D30; image. Hikers see you with this arcane set-up; D30, BG-ED3 w/28-70mm and immediately want to know who you work for, in a polite way or they'll thoughtfully stop so you can "get the shot." Normally they'll just shove you over the cliff:) "Otta the way Dufus!" Many a time I'd stop to get the shot and (you know how you get lost in the viewfinder) there'll be five or six people on the trail watching you. Kinda a strange feeling when you come out of the viewfinder and you see that you're today's entertainment:)

    You almost feel stupid (like you're a poser) when you state for the record that you're "just a hobbiest who likes photography" and not a working photographer with "Wine Country Living" or "California Today":)

    I'm sure many here have had similar experiences when on a country or beach outing with one of these pro/am DSLRs.
     
  30. Getting off topic but I know the feeling. Whether I am at the track with a big white lens, or a two hour hike into the woods on top of a cliff with my 4x5, the reactions are the same. It's really funny watching people dive out of the way, of what they suppose to be a shot, as you reach for your keys in your pocket or the apple in your bag!


    This is when digital would be fun because you can show people immediately what you have been shooting. They are usually dieing to know what I am trying to create, especially when they see all the sweat rolling off my brow from carrying all the equipment.


    Hey soon enough I will be able to ask them if they would like a picture of themselves, that I can charge for, and email it directly to their homes half way around the world directly from my DSLR. Cool!
     
  31. >> We also monitor the camera web site forums, like DPREVIEW."

    Hummmmm...........

    Am I the only one who thinks that Chuck should broaden his horizons a bit? :)


    Happy shooting,
    Yakim.
     
  32. New bracketing or exposure modes can be implemented now in current camera models simply with new firmware programs.

    It is up to manufactures marketing departments to do it now or not.

    Regards
     
  33. John,
    I'd say that the D30 shutter lag isn't noticeable to me, but the only other cameras I've shot are the 300D and 10D. Tested 20Ds, and I doubt it's as fast as those. I've only shot digital too, so I don't know how it compares to a film body.

    For AF/Servo, I think it would be adequate for sports use, since I've been able to use mine for birds and butterflies in flight with an EF200/2.8. But since you're focusing manually f/2.8 or f/3.5 equivalent via the adapter, that shouldn't matter at all.

    Feel free to email me if you've got other questions. My photo.net address is gjgaborno@
     
  34. I think Canon should just give us back the basics that are missing from the current DSLR's. Decent viewfinder size and brightness, AF technology that is not 10 years old (AF on the 10D is hopeless after the EOS3), ECF option for those of us that love it.
    I am more than happy with the 10D sensor and have never ran into trouble with the relatively small buffer and file transfer time. Yes ISO in the viewfinder would be nice.
    More megapixels will come with time as will a greater latitude for the sensor - then we won't require exposure shifts.
     

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