9-1/2" f6.8 Goerz Dagor AMerican Optical Co. for 8x10?

Discussion in 'Large Format' started by john_mcdonald, May 4, 2002.

  1. I am just delving into 8x10, and looking for a good moderate wide angle. Does
    anyone have information or experience with the 9-1/2" f6.8 Dagor, in regards to
    image quality and coverage? Or perhaps a more suitable recommendation? Thank
    you.
     
  2. The 9.5 inch will offer modest room for movement. Some have said
    there is a slight focus shift from 6.8 to 22. Contrast is good for a
    classic lens as there are only four air-glass surfaces, and these
    lenses are very sharp. It will be more than suitable for contact
    printing.

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    My advice is to make sure it is in a good shutter if this is your
    first experience with large format; you don't want to waste a lot of
    film getting to know a finnicky shutter when you are just learning.
    If you already use a large format camera, then you already know what
    you are willing to put up with. Also, if you intend to use filters,
    consider how you are going to do that with this lens. For $75 Steve
    Grimes will make you an adaptor to take modern filters. It's kind of
    pricey but I bought one and love it. I can now put filters and even a
    lens shade on an old Artar I have.

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    I ended up selling my 9 1/2" dagor because I got a modern lens in that
    focal length, but it was an outstanding lens. I still use the 7 inch
    dagor on 8x10 often. It just barely covers the format at infinity,
    with some fairly noticeable image degradation in the corners.
     
  3. John, How much do you want to spend? Robert White has(last time I
    looked)excellent deals on recently discontinued G-Clarons, 240mm
    270mm and 305mm in new copal shutters. When the price of new stuff
    (excellent new stuff) approaches the price of really old stuff it is
    certainly worth considering. Dagors have excellent reputations of
    course, but take a look at Robert White too. Cheers!
     
  4. > recently discontinued G-Clarons,

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    Discontinued?
     
  5. Discontinued! Thats the word. By the time I'll be able to afford a
    new lens they'll probably be long gone and the used ones will have
    achieved cult status. I think Badger Graphic was dealing on G-
    Clarons as well.
     
  6. The Dagors are nice lenses. I have a 168mm Ser. III, which just
    covers 8x10", an 8-1/4" Gold Dot in barrel, which covers with a little
    movement and is soon to be shutter mounted, and a 12" Gold Dot in
    barrel, which covers with plenty of room for movements and which I use
    on the front of an Ilex #5 shutter. They are compact in design and
    very sharp with good contrast and smooth tonality.

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    In the range you are considering, I use a 10" Wide-Field Ektar, which
    has a huge image circle. It's not as snappy as the Dagors, but it
    does offer huge coverage. I suspect the two facts may be
    related--huge coverage resulting in more light bouncing around inside
    the bellows, so I'm building a compendium shade for use with my camera
    which should improve contrast with this and other lenses.

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    Here's a suburban landscape in B&W with the 12" GD Dagor:

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    http://www.photo.net/photo/496688&size=lg

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    and here's a color portrait with the same lens. I included some
    details under the main image, but the scans aren't really as sharp as
    the original chrome under a loupe:

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    http://www.photo.net/photo/524513&size=lg
     

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